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13 Apr 2009, 10:53

San Francisco, USA:

Editor,

With great respect to the decision of King Tupou V to modify and/or change the current structure of the Government of Tonga is probably the most disastrous move since King Tupou 1 began to rule these friendly Pacific islands more than 160 years ago.

I strongly believe that the current system of government is the best for Tonga. All Tonga has to do is improving minor things here and there. Major changes to the current structure of government would bring disastrous consequences that the people of Tonga would regret and hope that they were not born to this earth. A new system would be disastrous to the nature of our religion and culture which are the corner-stone of peace and harmony in Tonga.

My reason for the above-mentioned is simple : if the prospective change/changes fail, Tonga would become a dictatorship and probably be engaged in a bloody revolution/civil war.

This is my prediction and I hope that it will not happen.

Yours sincerely,

Siosaia Fatani

Source: http://www.matangitonga.to/article/lette...3_pf.shtml

Admin Wrote:13 Apr 2009, 10:53

San Francisco, USA:

Editor,

With great respect to the decision of King Tupou V to modify and/or change the current structure of the Government of Tonga is probably the most disastrous move since King Tupou 1 began to rule these friendly Pacific islands more than 160 years ago.

I strongly believe that the current system of government is the best for Tonga. All Tonga has to do is improving minor things here and there. Major changes to the current structure of government would bring disastrous consequences that the people of Tonga would regret and hope that they were not born to this earth. A new system would be disastrous to the nature of our religion and culture which are the corner-stone of peace and harmony in Tonga.

My reason for the above-mentioned is simple : if the prospective change/changes fail, Tonga would become a dictatorship and probably be engaged in a bloody revolution/civil war.

This is my prediction and I hope that it will not happen.

Yours sincerely,

Siosaia Fatani

Source: http://www.matangitonga.to/article/lette...3_pf.shtml

Malo Fatani koe me'a pe ke tanaki atu koe faitotonu pea moe mo'oni mei he kau taki ko'ena 'oku ke faka'amu ke hoko atu hono fai 'etau ngaue... Koe toe pe 'eni ha taha 'e 'iai hano kete ke lava 'o take responsibility ki he ngaahi me'a 'oku nau fai...

Manatu ki he lau 'a Dr Taufe'ulungaki he ngaahi ta'u mai koe ... Ko ha fa'ahinga system pe kae ma'u 'a e loto 'ofa mo e faitotonu pea 'e ngaholo pe hotau vaka...

Toe tanaki mai pe ha me'a ke malu'i 'aki e toenga 'etau kau policy maker mei he tiliapa ... mahalo ko ha ngaahi lao pe policy ke fai hano siofi'afi kinautolu???? koe fakakohukohu pe ka 'oku fai e kuo tomui ke tau toe sio kiai he kuo finangalo 'a Tupou ke tau laka moe kuonga... Hei'ilo????

How come that the current system of ruling in Tonga is the best for Tonga while everyone knows that the king has the absolute power over the taxes being collected from the taxpayers and he and his own hand picked ministers used it without even listening to the views and wishes of those people? What do we call this? How come that that is the best while everyone knows that democracy would allow people to have a say in how they are ruled and be given opportunities to elect their leaders thus leaders are accountable to the people?

It is very hard to believe and trust in those Tongans who are staying overseas and gain various benefits through the policies adopted via liberal opinions and beliefs of democracy but still say that dictatorship in Tonga is still the best system.

mauifusifonua Wrote:How come that the current system of ruling in Tonga is the best for Tonga while everyone knows that the king has the absolute power over the taxes being collected from the taxpayers and he and his own hand picked ministers used it without even listening to the views and wishes of those people? What do we call this? How come that that is the best while everyone knows that democracy would allow people to have a say in how they are ruled and be given opportunities to elect their leaders thus leaders are accountable to the people?

It is very hard to believe and trust in those Tongans who are staying overseas and gain various benefits through the policies adopted via liberal opinions and beliefs of democracy but still say that dictatorship in Tonga is still the best system.

Mate, slow down there is no dictatorship in Tonga.... Its just like every other country in the world, you must work for your piece of bread... No one is being percecuted in Tonga... your piece of land is for you to grow taro and build a house on without any government interference at all...

I cant wait to see how the new system works for I am sure the same corruption whom the current system are being blamed for will not either go away when the new system is being implemented... Fatani argues that the proposed system will lead Tonga to what yu've just mention ... dictatorship... A system without any party or opposition has a tendency to become a dictatorship rule... at least the current system are checked by the Pro-demo movement..

We ought to come up with a better proposed model then the current proposed one....Malo

Mate, slow down there is no dictatorship in Tonga.... Its just like every other country in the world, you must work for your piece of bread... No one is being percecuted in Tonga... your piece of land is for you to grow taro and build a house on without any government interference at all...

I cant wait to see how the new system works for I am sure the same corruption whom the current system are being blamed for will not either go away when the new system is being implemented... Fatani argues that the proposed system will lead Tonga to what yu've just mention ... dictatorship... A system without any party or opposition has a tendency to become a dictatorship rule... at least the current system are checked by the Pro-demo movement..

We ought to come up with a better proposed model then the current proposed one....Malo
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Tokoua,
But a fully elected system guarantees, that those corrupted elites will be thrown out in the next election, that is the check and balance mechanism at least.
Pea ko ho'o pehe 'no one is being percecuted in Tonga...' koha justification ia oku ikai ke ai ha dictatorship i Tonga. cummon bro read between the lines pea tuku a foki e kui....
Alu lau ae tu'utu'u 'i he hopo talisone na'e fakailo ai 'a 'Akilisi koe tala oku dictator 'ae tu'i o Tonga...

Ofa pe na'ake ma'u ha aho tapu fonu 'i he kelesi'ia

laione Wrote:Mate, slow down there is no dictatorship in Tonga.... Its just like every other country in the world, you must work for your piece of bread... No one is being percecuted in Tonga... your piece of land is for you to grow taro and build a house on without any government interference at all...

I cant wait to see how the new system works for I am sure the same corruption whom the current system are being blamed for will not either go away when the new system is being implemented... Fatani argues that the proposed system will lead Tonga to what yu've just mention ... dictatorship... A system without any party or opposition has a tendency to become a dictatorship rule... at least the current system are checked by the Pro-demo movement..

We ought to come up with a better proposed model then the current proposed one....Malo

Tokoua,
But a fully elected system guarantees, that those corrupted elites will be thrown out in the next election, that is the check and balance mechanism at least.
Pea ko ho'o pehe 'no one is being percecuted in Tonga...' koha justification ia oku ikai ke ai ha dictatorship i Tonga. cummon bro read between the lines pea tuku a foki e kui....
Alu lau ae tu'utu'u 'i he hopo talisone na'e fakailo ai 'a 'Akilisi koe tala oku dictator 'ae tu'i o Tonga...

Ofa pe na'ake ma'u ha aho tapu fonu 'i he kelesi'ia
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Malo tokoua...

Koe anga pe 'ena ia e ki'i sio atu kihe proposed model... to say that whoever doesnt performed on the new system will be thrown out is a complete farce... who says thats gonna happen???? Infact mahalo koe tatau pe moe founga lolotonga...

A sound mind leader with honesty is what Tonga needs... infact I do believe a more democratic one will do the job but with the current proposed ones ... nothing less then what Mr Fatani mentioned...

Malo

Moatunu Wrote:

mauifusifonua Wrote:How come that the current system of ruling in Tonga is the best for Tonga while everyone knows that the king has the absolute power over the taxes being collected from the taxpayers and he and his own hand picked ministers used it without even listening to the views and wishes of those people? What do we call this? How come that that is the best while everyone knows that democracy would allow people to have a say in how they are ruled and be given opportunities to elect their leaders thus leaders are accountable to the people?

It is very hard to believe and trust in those Tongans who are staying overseas and gain various benefits through the policies adopted via liberal opinions and beliefs of democracy but still say that dictatorship in Tonga is still the best system.

Mate, slow down there is no dictatorship in Tonga.... Its just like every other country in the world, you must work for your piece of bread... No one is being percecuted in Tonga... your piece of land is for you to grow taro and build a house on without any government interference at all...

I cant wait to see how the new system works for I am sure the same corruption whom the current system are being blamed for will not either go away when the new system is being implemented... Fatani argues that the proposed system will lead Tonga to what yu've just mention ... dictatorship... A system without any party or opposition has a tendency to become a dictatorship rule... at least the current system are checked by the Pro-demo movement..

We ought to come up with a better proposed model then the current proposed one....Malo

'Ee, RoastHen, koe me'a malie koe 'ikai teke ofi mai heni he na'u mei kiki 'aki koe e fo'i frenchbread ko 'enii.Malo pe si'i ma'u peniua ke mau ta'eoli'ia ai ka 'oku 'iai e lakanga 'oku mau kei fekumia ha taha ka 'oku ou sio koe kanititeiti laleitaha koe kiai...SETUATA HOMAU SIASI...Tonga hou'eiki.Malo pea 'oua mu'a teke toe 'omai ha fakakaukau vale pehe ke fai 'aki etau ngauee.There are people who are to be leaders and those to follow like you,G5 and Gang,at the very end of the towing pole.Ko palemu mo 'ene administration koe saliotee ia, pea 'oku lolotonga tu'u ia 'i mua kae tu'u atu 'etau hoosi 'atautolu 'i mui.Pea noengo 'eku kalasi 6 to'ulahii ka 'oku mahino pe kiate au koe 'alu fakaholomuii koe tuai atu.

Admin Wrote:
13 Apr 2009, 10:53

San Francisco, USA:

Editor,

With great respect to the decision of King Tupou V to modify and/or change the current structure of the Government of Tonga is probably the most disastrous move since King Tupou 1 began to rule these friendly Pacific islands more than 160 years ago.

I strongly believe that the current system of government is the best for Tonga. All Tonga has to do is improving minor things here and there. Major changes to the current structure of government would bring disastrous consequences that the people of Tonga would regret and hope that they were not born to this earth. A new system would be disastrous to the nature of our religion and culture which are the corner-stone of peace and harmony in Tonga.

My reason for the above-mentioned is simple : if the prospective change/changes fail, Tonga would become a dictatorship and probably be engaged in a bloody revolution/civil war.

This is my prediction and I hope that it will not happen.

Yours sincerely,

Siosaia Fatani

Source: http://www.matangitonga.to/article/lette...3_pf.shtml



Malo Fatani koe me'a pe ke tanaki atu koe faitotonu pea moe mo'oni mei he kau taki ko'ena 'oku ke faka'amu ke hoko atu hono fai 'etau ngaue... Koe toe pe 'eni ha taha 'e 'iai hano kete ke lava 'o take responsibility ki he ngaahi me'a 'oku nau fai...

Manatu ki he lau 'a Dr Taufe'ulungaki he ngaahi ta'u mai koe ... Ko ha fa'ahinga system pe kae ma'u 'a e loto 'ofa mo e faitotonu pea 'e ngaholo pe hotau vaka...

Toe tanaki mai pe ha me'a ke malu'i 'aki e toenga 'etau kau policy maker mei he tiliapa ... mahalo ko ha ngaahi lao pe policy ke fai hano siofi'afi kinautolu???? koe fakakohukohu pe ka 'oku fai e kuo tomui ke tau toe sio kiai he kuo finangalo 'a Tupou

[Quote Moatunu]




Siosaia Fatani mo Moatunu, 'oku ou to e fk-manatu atu 'oku 'ikai ko e fk-lelei 'e kamata mei lalo, he 'oku 'ikai ke fai tu'utu'uni 'a kinautolu 'oku 'i lalo. 'o hange ko e fale'i 'oku mo fai and I quote "All Tonga has to do is improving minor things here and there" Pea mei a Moatunu "Toe tanaki mai pe ha me'a ke malu'i 'aki e toenga 'etau kau policy maker mei he tiliapa...."

'Ko e ha nai 'a e me'a 'oku faingata'a ai ki he tangata Tonga mo e fefine Tonga ke mahino 'a e mo'oni ko ia ko 'etau fu'u sisitamu 'oku fiema'u ia ke fk-fo'ou he kuo mamatea mo 'ume'umea. Pea 'oku 'uhinga pe ia he 'oku 'IKAI MALAVA 'A E MAFAI TU'UTU'UNI 'O E LAO 'O E FONUA, KE NGAUE KI HE TU'I MO E NI'IHI 'A HONO NGAAHI NIMA.

"Pea ko e fk-kaukau ko ia 'a Fatani ke fk-lelei'i pe 'a e fanga ki'i me'aikiiki....... " 'Oku ou kole atu Fatani ke ke ki'i heka mai ki Tonga ni, ke ke ha'u mo e maama ko'ena na'ake ma'u he fonua temokalati, ke ke ha'u 'o sio tonu 'i he ngaahi me'a lahi 'i he fonua ni kuo 'ilonga 'a hono fk-lelei'i 'e kinautolu 'i he level 'i lalo.

Ko e fiha'i toketa (Phd) 'eni kuo nau foki mai mei muli na, kuo lava 'a e feinga, pea na'e ma'u mei he ngaahi fonua temokalati, kuo nau 'osi foki atu mei he ki'i fonua 'oku tu'u 'i 'oseni, he 'oku 'ikai malava ke nau ngaue'i tau'ataina 'i he malumalu 'o e lao, 'a e 'ilo na'a nau feinga ke 'omai ki Tonga ni. He 'oku fk-leveleva 'a e mafai 'o e tu'i, pea to e kovi ange ko e 'ikai ha taha 'iate kinautolu 'oku ofi atu 'i hono takafalu, ke tokoni atu ke talaatu 'a e me'a 'oku mo'oni mo totonu, ka e tali fk-koeeeeeee he me'a kotoa pe 'o tatau pe 'a e lelei mo e kovi fk-tou'osi.

Na'e tu'utu'uni atu 'e he la'aa kuo unga fonua ki he minisita pa'anga 'o e 'aho ko ia ke to'o mai 'a e pa'anga ke 'ai 'aki 'a e me'a 'oku ne tui 'e kau lelei ki he fonua. Na'e 'omai 'a e tali 'a e minisita pa'anga 'o talamai ke kataki 'oku 'ikai ha pa'anga ia. Na'e 'oatu ai pe 'a e fekau mei he 'ofisi 'o e palasi ke li mai ha'a ne tohi fk-fisi. Ko e minisita malolo na'e fetongi mai 'e Afu'alo Matoto, na'e fekau ke li mai 'e ne tohi fk-fisi. Pea kapau 'oku to e mo'oni mo e tu'utu'uni kia 'Alisi Taumoepeau (minisita lao) ke li ange 'a 'ene tohi fk-fiji, pea mo e ngaahi me'a lalahi kehekehe pe ia, 'oku fehu'ia lahi 'aupito 'e he kakai 'o e fonua ni.

Kapau 'oku 'ikai malava ke ho'ata atu ha ki'i me'ime'i maama 'i he ngaahi me'a 'oku lolotonga hoko 'i he fonua, pea ta 'oku mo'oni pe 'a e lea ia "Ta ko e sola koe ia ki Selusalema". Pea he 'ikai pe ke to e mahino ha fk-kaukau ia 'i he feinga ki he liliu, he kuo ke 'osi fai tu'utu'uni koe ki ho loto, ke 'oua te ne toe tali ha liliu ki he 'etau sisitamu, ka tau hokohoko atu pe 'a e fk-koeee, pea neongo 'a e taimi lahi 'oku namuaa'aaa'a 'a e ngaahi 'elemeniti 'o e sisitamu, ka e tala pe ia 'e he ni'ihi 'OKU NAMU LOLO PIPI MO E AHI.



All Tonga has to do is improving minor things here and there.

Tama4kakai Wrote:

Moatunu Wrote:

mauifusifonua Wrote:How come that the current system of ruling in Tonga is the best for Tonga while everyone knows that the king has the absolute power over the taxes being collected from the taxpayers and he and his own hand picked ministers used it without even listening to the views and wishes of those people? What do we call this? How come that that is the best while everyone knows that democracy would allow people to have a say in how they are ruled and be given opportunities to elect their leaders thus leaders are accountable to the people?

It is very hard to believe and trust in those Tongans who are staying overseas and gain various benefits through the policies adopted via liberal opinions and beliefs of democracy but still say that dictatorship in Tonga is still the best system.

Mate, slow down there is no dictatorship in Tonga.... Its just like every other country in the world, you must work for your piece of bread... No one is being percecuted in Tonga... your piece of land is for you to grow taro and build a house on without any government interference at all...

I cant wait to see how the new system works for I am sure the same corruption whom the current system are being blamed for will not either go away when the new system is being implemented... Fatani argues that the proposed system will lead Tonga to what yu've just mention ... dictatorship... A system without any party or opposition has a tendency to become a dictatorship rule... at least the current system are checked by the Pro-demo movement..

We ought to come up with a better proposed model then the current proposed one....Malo

'Ee, RoastHen, koe me'a malie koe 'ikai teke ofi mai heni he na'u mei kiki 'aki koe e fo'i frenchbread ko 'enii.Malo pe si'i ma'u peniua ke mau ta'eoli'ia ai ka 'oku 'iai e lakanga 'oku mau kei fekumia ha taha ka 'oku ou sio koe kanititeiti laleitaha koe kiai...SETUATA HOMAU SIASI...Tonga hou'eiki.Malo pea 'oua mu'a teke toe 'omai ha fakakaukau vale pehe ke fai 'aki etau ngauee.There are people who are to be leaders and those to follow like you,G5 and Gang,at the very end of the towing pole.Ko palemu mo 'ene administration koe saliotee ia, pea 'oku lolotonga tu'u ia 'i mua kae tu'u atu 'etau hoosi 'atautolu 'i mui.Pea noengo 'eku kalasi 6 to'ulahii ka 'oku mahino pe kiate au koe 'alu fakaholomuii koe tuai atu.

Tokoua koe sai taha ia kapau teke kai 'e koe au ... kae hange koe lau koe twenty 2 pe 'oku toe masi'i... Ki'i laulau mai pe he 'oku ou lolotonga setuata pe heni ... hahaha

'Oua kohu he koe temokalati ko'ena 'oku ke malanga'i kuo pau ke talanga'i pea tau toki sio ki hano ola... Koe fakaaoao 'oku tapu ia ... Koe fakakaukau koe humaki atu pe fao'i e fakakaukau ke lava 'o fa'u ha motolo 'oku ma'olunga ange mo pau ange i he current propose one... which might result in a one sided government and the tendency for a dictatorship rule... I will challenge you that 2010 is so close for such a huge task to be completed then... fakataha moe ta'epau 'o e founga liliu 'oku ou fakaofiofi atu te tau ngali maau ki he 2012 pe ofi ai....

Toe 'alu pe lau ho'o hisitolia pea ke toki vakai mai ke 'oatu 'a Moatunu keke breakfast... na'a lava ai pe ha'o ma'aga mei hena... pea ki'i punu favai pe teu ki he 2010...

'Oku 'i ai 'a e ki'i ni'ihi tokosi'i 'oku nau tui tatau mo Moatunu 'i he fk-kaukau ko ia 'oku pehee tokua 'oku ngali fk-aoao 'a e feinga 'a e temokalati ki he liliu. Pea ne tuhu'i hangatonu mai "Koe fakaaoao 'oku tapu ia ...".


Tokoua, 'oku tapu 'aupito 'a e fk-aoao 'i he mo'ui ni, 'o tatau pe 'i he famili, lotu pea mo e fonua. Pea neongo 'oku 'asi 'a e fk-aoao 'i he ngaahi fonua 'e ni'ihi, 'a ee 'oku 'i ai 'a e pule-fk-kominisi, ka kuo holo ki he si'isi'i 'aupito, 'i he vave 'a e 'ilo ki he maama, pea mo e lelei ange 'o e pule 'a e tokolahi. 'I he funga 'o e fonuaa, ko e fa'ahinga pe 'o e monumanu 'oku malava ke ha pea ee'a mei ai 'a e FAKAAOAO, 'i he pule 'a e monumanu 'oku malohi. Pea 'oku tuha pe ia mo kinautolu, he na'e 'omi pe 'a e tangata ke ma'olunga ange 'a e me'a-fk-fk-kaukau 'o mavahe 'aupito mei he fa'ahinga ni. Pea ko e 'uhinga ia 'oku afe ai 'a e tangata/fefine mei he pelepela, he 'e 'uli ai 'a hono teuteu ma'aa. Ka ki he monumanu, ko ia 'a e feitu'u hono lata'anga.

Ki'i vakai si'i ange ki he 'etau nofo 'i he fonua ni, pea mo ho tau fa'unga, pea ke fehu'i ai pe kohai 'oku fk-aoao? Hange ko e ngaahi fehu'i ko'eni:

* Kohai nai 'oku fk-aoao 'i he tolu'i me'a ni? TU'I - HOU'EIKI - KAKAI?

* Kohai nai 'oku fk-aoao 'i he tolu'i me'a ni? Kapineti 'o 'Ene 'Afio -
Falealea - FK-Maau'anga?

* Kohai nai 'oku fk-aoao 'i loto falealea? Ko e Kau Minisita 'e toko 12 mo
e ongo Kovana 'a ee na'e fili kotoa 'e he tu'i, pe ko e Hou'eiki Nopele
'e toko 9 fili 'e he kau Nopele 'o 'Ene 'afio 'e toko 30+, pe kau fk-fofonga
'e toko 9 'o e kakai 'oku fe'unga honau tokolahi mo e toko 100,000+?


Tokoua, fk'amu pe 'oku mahino atu 'a e fk-kaukau 'o e fkaoao kiate koe. 'Oku fu'u fk'ofa fau 'a e fute hake 'a e kau fk-fofonga mo e fu'u tokolahi taha 'o e fonua ki he pule fk-aoao 'a e fu'u sisitamu, he na'e fa'u pe ia ke pehee.

Kuo ngalo 'iate ko e 'a e mo'ua 'a e pule'anga 'i he fktau ta'x fk-lao 'o 'etau passport, pea nau fk-puna mai 'a e mataotao he lao mei Pilitania ke ha'u 'o liliu 'a e konisitutone to save their skin? What a shame that you got a very short memory. Pea 'oku kei toe lahi 'a e 'u 'imisi ia 'o e fk-aoao kuo mamata mo 'ilo ki ai 'a e kakai 'o e fonua, ka 'oku ou tui kuo mahino atu 'a e ki'i kongasi'i kuo u 'oatu 'i 'olunga.

Ko e fie tokoni atu 'eni MOatunu pea mo Fatani, ka to ki tu'a 'a e fk-aoao 'i ha fa'ahinga Sosaieti, pea kuo afuhia 'a e mo'ui 'a hono kakai 'o faai ke nau fulutamakia 'i he fa'ahinga pule 'oku pule'i 'aki kinautolu, Pea 'oku 'ikai ha'a nau to e fili, ka ko e pau ke nau fekumi ki ha fa'ahinga founga ke nau lava ai 'o manava lelei, pea mo'enau fanau.

hilingaue Wrote:'Oku 'i ai 'a e ki'i ni'ihi tokosi'i 'oku nau tui tatau mo Moatunu 'i he fk-kaukau ko ia 'oku pehee tokua 'oku ngali fk-aoao 'a e feinga 'a e temokalati ki he liliu. Pea ne tuhu'i hangatonu mai "Koe fakaaoao 'oku tapu ia ...".


Tokoua, 'oku tapu 'aupito 'a e fk-aoao 'i he mo'ui ni, 'o tatau pe 'i he famili, lotu pea mo e fonua. Pea neongo 'oku 'asi 'a e fk-aoao 'i he ngaahi fonua 'e ni'ihi, 'a ee 'oku 'i ai 'a e pule-fk-kominisi, ka kuo holo ki he si'isi'i 'aupito, 'i he vave 'a e 'ilo ki he maama, pea mo e lelei ange 'o e pule 'a e tokolahi. 'I he funga 'o e fonuaa, ko e fa'ahinga pe 'o e monumanu 'oku malava ke ha pea ee'a mei ai 'a e FAKAAOAO, 'i he pule 'a e monumanu 'oku malohi. Pea 'oku tuha pe ia mo kinautolu, he na'e 'omi pe 'a e tangata ke ma'olunga ange 'a e me'a-fk-fk-kaukau 'o mavahe 'aupito mei he fa'ahinga ni. Pea ko e 'uhinga ia 'oku afe ai 'a e tangata/fefine mei he pelepela, he 'e 'uli ai 'a hono teuteu ma'aa. Ka ki he monumanu, ko ia 'a e feitu'u hono lata'anga.

Ki'i vakai si'i ange ki he 'etau nofo 'i he fonua ni, pea mo ho tau fa'unga, pea ke fehu'i ai pe kohai 'oku fk-aoao? Hange ko e ngaahi fehu'i ko'eni:

* Kohai nai 'oku fk-aoao 'i he tolu'i me'a ni? TU'I - HOU'EIKI - KAKAI?

* Kohai nai 'oku fk-aoao 'i he tolu'i me'a ni? Kapineti 'o 'Ene 'Afio -
Falealea - FK-Maau'anga?

* Kohai nai 'oku fk-aoao 'i loto falealea? Ko e Kau Minisita 'e toko 12 mo
e ongo Kovana 'a ee na'e fili kotoa 'e he tu'i, pe ko e Hou'eiki Nopele
'e toko 9 fili 'e he kau Nopele 'o 'Ene 'afio 'e toko 30+, pe kau fk-fofonga
'e toko 9 'o e kakai 'oku fe'unga honau tokolahi mo e toko 100,000+?


Tokoua, fk'amu pe 'oku mahino atu 'a e fk-kaukau 'o e fkaoao kiate koe. 'Oku fu'u fk'ofa fau 'a e fute hake 'a e kau fk-fofonga mo e fu'u tokolahi taha 'o e fonua ki he pule fk-aoao 'a e fu'u sisitamu, he na'e fa'u pe ia ke pehee.

Kuo ngalo 'iate ko e 'a e mo'ua 'a e pule'anga 'i he fktau ta'x fk-lao 'o 'etau passport, pea nau fk-puna mai 'a e mataotao he lao mei Pilitania ke ha'u 'o liliu 'a e konisitutone to save their skin? What a shame that you got a very short memory. Pea 'oku kei toe lahi 'a e 'u 'imisi ia 'o e fk-aoao kuo mamata mo 'ilo ki ai 'a e kakai 'o e fonua, ka 'oku ou tui kuo mahino atu 'a e ki'i kongasi'i kuo u 'oatu 'i 'olunga.

Ko e fie tokoni atu 'eni MOatunu pea mo Fatani, ka to ki tu'a 'a e fk-aoao 'i ha fa'ahinga Sosaieti, pea kuo afuhia 'a e mo'ui 'a hono kakai 'o faai ke nau fulutamakia 'i he fa'ahinga pule 'oku pule'i 'aki kinautolu, Pea 'oku 'ikai ha'a nau to e fili, ka ko e pau ke nau fekumi ki ha fa'ahinga founga ke nau lava ai 'o manava lelei, pea mo'enau fanau.

hilingaue, kataki pe 'o tanaki atu moe fehu'i ko 'eni ki ho'o ngaahi fakaaoao. KO HAI 'OKU FAKAAOAO HE TAMAI, FA'E MOE FANAU. Fakahoa ia kihe TU'I, HOU'EIKI MOE KAKAI. 'Ikai 'oku na natula tatau? Koe Tamai koe Tu'i ia. Koe Hou'eiki koe Fa'ee ia pea koe Fanau koe Kakai ia. Me'a ni tetau tuku e fanau ke nau pule'i e nofo 'ae famili?
Koe famili na'a ku tupu ai ne mahu'inga ma'u pe 'ae tataki na'e fai 'ehe 'emau tamai. Mahu'inga foki moe poupou 'a 'emau fa'ee. Ko mautolu leva fanau na'e taliangi mo fai kihe faka'uto'uta 'a 'emau ongo matu'a.
'Oku mau sio pe kihe ola koia 'i he 'emau mo'ui he 'aho ni. Mau famili lelei. Ngaue malohi mo fua kavenga. Fiefia mo melino pea malava homau nima 'o feau 'emau ngaahi fiema'u.
Kapau tetau sio kihe fakalele 'oe pule'anga 'o Tonga 'oku 'ikai kehekehe. 'Oua 'e tuku e kakai (fanau) kenau fakalele 'ae fonua he 'e lahi e vakee moe fetaufehi'a'aki. Kapau 'oku 'iai ha me'a 'ae kakai 'oku nau fiema'u 'oku 'ikai ta'ofi ke fai ha talanoa kiai moe matu'a (Pule'anga moe Hou'eiki).
'Oku kehekehe kotoa pe ngaahi famili. Mahalo 'oku 'ikai tatau ho famili 'a'au mo au. Mahalo 'oku pule ho'o fanau 'a'au pea 'ikai ha'o le'o 'o'ou he anga ho'omou nofo. Koe kalasi famili ia 'e taha.
'Oku 'iai moe famili 'oku pule fa'ee ia. 'Oku pa e mata 'oe tamai pea lea kovi'i. 'Oku fa'ifa'iteliha e fanau he 'enau hu atu moe hu mai. Koe fa'ahinga famili ia 'e taha.
Koe famili 'oku pule ai 'ae fanau 'oku toe fakaoli ange ia. Koe sio atu ha taha kiha famili pehe 'oku tala koe fanau anga'i manu mo ta'eakonaki'i. Ka kihe famili ko'eni 'oku sai pe ia.
'Oku pehe pe ngaahi pule'anga 'o mamani. 'Oku 'iai e ngaahi pule'anga 'oku pule mo faka'uto'uta ai 'ae Tu'i moe hou'eiki hange ko Tonga.
'Oku 'iai e ngaahi pule'anga 'oku fakaehaua ai e ki'i tokoni'ihi pe hange koe ngaahi fonua kominiusi.
'Oku 'iai leva moe ngaahi fonua 'oku feongoongoi ai e kakai moe kau taki hange ko nu'usila.
'Oku ngaue kehekehe pe ngaahi fa'unga 'o fakatatau kihe 'atakai (context) 'oku nau 'iai. Fe'unga pe fa'ahinga pule'anga 'a Tonga mo hono context (kau kiai e 'ulungaanga, fa'unga tukufakaholo, ma'u'anga mo'ui, 'atakai - environment, size - both physical and population etc.
Koia ai kapau 'oku 'ikai kei taau e pule 'ae Tamai (Tu'i) moe Fa'e (hou'eiki) 'i Tonga, 'oua 'e li'aki naua he 'e iku nofo mo tu'u ve'ehala 'ae fanau (kakai). Feinga'i pe kanau toe feongoongoi ange. 'Oua 'e fakafetau he 'oku ta'efakafolofola ia he 'oku talamai 'ehe tohitapu ke tau talangofua kihe 'etau fa'ee moe tamai kae loloa hotau ngaahi 'aho 'i mamani.
Tau sio pe kihe feinga 'ae fanau (kakai) kenau pule he fonua 'a 'enau anga'i manu 'o maumau'i e koloa honau loto fale (tutu 'o nuku'alofa). Koe me'a pe iku kiai koe tuku 'a 'api 'oku mohe mafana ai kae 'ave ki tolitoli 'o ako'i mei ai.
'Ofa pe 'oku mafoa atu ha maama meihe power point ko 'ena...PP

hilingaue, kataki pe 'o tanaki atu moe fehu'i ko 'eni ki ho'o ngaahi fakaaoao. KO HAI 'OKU FAKAAOAO HE TAMAI, FA'E MOE FANAU. Fakahoa ia kihe TU'I, HOU'EIKI MOE KAKAI. 'Ikai 'oku na natula tatau? Koe Tamai koe Tu'i ia. Koe Hou'eiki koe Fa'ee ia pea koe Fanau koe Kakai ia. Me'a ni tetau tuku e fanau ke nau pule'i e nofo 'ae famili?

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I don't know what are you talking about my friend. Children are not paying taxes to their parents. Are they? But the people of Tonga who are not relatives or even families of the king must pay taxes for the government where the king and his ministers have the power over that big big money. When the people of a country are not given the rights to have their say about that money we call it "DICTORSHIP".

mauifusifonua Wrote:hilingaue, kataki pe 'o tanaki atu moe fehu'i ko 'eni ki ho'o ngaahi fakaaoao. KO HAI 'OKU FAKAAOAO HE TAMAI, FA'E MOE FANAU. Fakahoa ia kihe TU'I, HOU'EIKI MOE KAKAI. 'Ikai 'oku na natula tatau? Koe Tamai koe Tu'i ia. Koe Hou'eiki koe Fa'ee ia pea koe Fanau koe Kakai ia. Me'a ni tetau tuku e fanau ke nau pule'i e nofo 'ae famili?

I don't know what are you talking about my friend. Children are not paying taxes to their parents. Are they? But the people of Tonga who are not relatives or even families of the king must pay taxes for the government where the king and his ministers have the power over that big big money. When the people of a country are not given the rights to have their say about that money we call it "DICTORSHIP".
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MAUF’USIFONUA, not all people pay tax. Not all children pay tax (money) to their parents. Hence, we all expect people to pay some form of taxes when they start working and perhaps earning some form of income. We would expect that to happen to our children when they grow up and start working for money, although this is not a must.
In most cases children do give money to their parents in one way or another. I’m sure you know what I mean. Arguably, the most successful business families in the world are those where children invest their money, time and effort back into what their parents started.
Thousands of people in Tonga don’t pay tax, yet most of these people do pay taxes in other forms, such as good and services tax etc.
That’s why we have a government in place to look after our tax money. Government has the power over that big money (to be precise) not the people. Tell me of any country in the world where people have the power to manage, distribute, invest etc their tax money? None.
Of course people are entitle to have a say in how tax money is being spent, but that’s all they could do. The rest is for those in power. Until we prove that our tax money is being misused or mishandled by the authority then we have all the right in the world to take them to court.
At the moment I suggest that we continue to work hard, save up and live our life to the fullest. When ‘Akilisi becomes the dictator of Tonga…run as fast as you can!..PP

PowerPoint Wrote:MAUF’USIFONUA, not all people pay tax. Not all children pay tax (money) to their parents. Hence, we all expect people to pay some form of taxes when they start working and perhaps earning some form of income. We would expect that to happen to our children when they grow up and start working for money, although this is not a must.
In most cases children do give money to their parents in one way or another. I’m sure you know what I mean. Arguably, the most successful business families in the world are those where children invest their money, time and effort back into what their parents started.
Thousands of people in Tonga don’t pay tax, yet most of these people do pay taxes in other forms, such as good and services tax etc.
That’s why we have a government in place to look after our tax money. Government has the power over that big money (to be precise) not the people. Tell me of any country in the world where people have the power to manage, distribute, invest etc their tax money? None.
Of course people are entitle to have a say in how tax money is being spent, but that’s all they could do. The rest is for those in power. Until we prove that our tax money is being misused or mishandled by the authority then we have all the right in the world to take them to court.
At the moment I suggest that we continue to work hard, save up and live our life to the fullest. When ‘Akilisi becomes the dictator of Tonga…run as fast as you can!..PP

It seems to me that you do not understand what is meant by paying taxes by everyone in the country. When babies are born they are bound to pay tax. The milks and diapers given for them by their parents are bought from the shop. And I think you understand that selling prices of goods at the shops are a result of mount of taxes charged by the government like GST and so on. Not just babies. Anybody even the elderly, the sick and the poor.

People in the government like the Prime Minister and ministers are political fathers or parents if we put it in the context of your argument. As a result the link between them and the people (children as you have suggested) are no more than just legalizing. In other words, they have no choice but to conform to the law. If they do not they have to face the consequences.

The leaders at home are biological leaders or what we called parents. Their relationship with their children is linked with moral obligation. With moral obligation, everyone has the freedom to accept any instruction and guidance given by their biological parents. Though they have obligation for them especially when they are matured, there are chances for them to pay that in any form, whether it is money, foods, works, and clothes even anything etc. With tax, everyone has to do it in only one form – money. And that is the problem.

Again it seems to me that you do not understand what is meant by saying, people must have a say in what to do with their tax money. That is a thesis statement and it has to be supported by other relevant facts and example so that people like you could understand it. I will give one. All members of parliament must be elected by the taxpayers. Those representatives go to parliament to represent the taxpayers in political matters. In other words, what they say in parliament when discussion the budget and policies initiated by the govern they representing the taxpayers.

I can tell that you have a really strong aversion to the democratic changes led by Leader ‘Akilisi Pohiva and his great number of followers. You should respect what they are doing as they are well educated people. They are elite with various talent, qualification, capacities and with a wide range of experiences.

Let's pray for the sake of the country that there won't be a second round or we'll end up with not much of a country left.

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mauifusifonua Wrote:How come that the current system of ruling in Tonga is the best for Tonga while everyone knows that the king has the absolute power over the taxes being collected from the taxpayers and he and his own hand picked ministers used it without even listening to the views and wishes of those people? What do we call this? How come that that is the best while everyone knows that democracy would allow people to have a say in how they are ruled and be given opportunities to elect their leaders thus leaders are accountable to the people?

It is very hard to believe and trust in those Tongans who are staying overseas and gain various benefits through the policies adopted via liberal opinions and beliefs of democracy but still say that dictatorship in Tonga is still the best system.

Mate, slow down there is no dictatorship in Tonga.... Its just like every other country in the world, you must work for your piece of bread... No one is being percecuted in Tonga... your piece of land is for you to grow taro and build a house on without any government interference at all...

I cant wait to see how the new system works for I am sure the same corruption whom the current system are being blamed for will not either go away when the new system is being implemented... Fatani argues that the proposed system will lead Tonga to what yu've just mention ... dictatorship... A system without any party or opposition has a tendency to become a dictatorship rule... at least the current system are checked by the Pro-demo movement..

We ought to come up with a better proposed model then the current proposed one....Malo

tokoua, sio ke ope atu he me'a 'oku ha maiii. 'oku ou tui 'oku 'iai e tikitato he sisitemi lolotonga. 'oku faka'ofa e le'o 'oe kakai, hono tamoloki pe 'ehe pm mo 'ene kau lopoti.

'OKu ou poupou kakato atu au Tama4kakai kiho'o lau,,mahalo pe 'oku 'ikai loko mahino ia kihe kau tama ni e me'a 'oku tau si'i feinga ke faka'ata atu kau kihe sisitamu lolotonga he 'oku si'i faka'ofa hotau kainga,,,

Admin Wrote:13 Apr 2009, 10:53

San Francisco, USA:

Editor,

With great respect to the decision of King Tupou V to modify and/or change the current structure of the Government of Tonga is probably the most disastrous move since King Tupou 1 began to rule these friendly Pacific islands more than 160 years ago.

I strongly believe that the current system of government is the best for Tonga. All Tonga has to do is improving minor things here and there. Major changes to the current structure of government would bring disastrous consequences that the people of Tonga would regret and hope that they were not born to this earth. A new system would be disastrous to the nature of our religion and culture which are the corner-stone of peace and harmony in Tonga.

My reason for the above-mentioned is simple : if the prospective change/changes fail, Tonga would become a dictatorship and probably be engaged in a bloody revolution/civil war.

This is my prediction and I hope that it will not happen.

Yours sincerely,

Siosaia Fatani

Source: http://www.matangitonga.to/article/lette...3_pf.shtml

MR. FATANI,
WITH ALL DUE RESPECT THE CURRENT SYSTEM IS NOT GOOD FOR TONGA PERIOD.Dude wake up and smell the kava,Please.