I have to disagree with a lot of things this panel said on this programme. While I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss pacific issues on tele, I am of the understanding that the NZ pacific inmates are adults. Listening to the dialoque, it seems to me they are pointing their fingers to these two important institutions which are first of all "Families" and "Churches". May be there are some truths in it, but I am not convinced that the root of the problems are the families and churches. No no no no! If we're talking about the root problems then we have to try and understand what causes our families and churches to behave the way they do. That is the root problems. I will blame the cultures because it is our culture that made our families and churches do what they do. You see! I believe we should overhaul the pacific cultures from top to bottom and bottom to top and modernise it a bit to match the 21st century...I can guarantee that half of our problems gone!!!
However, i do admire the courage of these people to come and start talking about these issues. Keep it NZ!
It's about time to retrieve our pi way of discipline hihihihihihihi Once a knock on the cheek say hello to nice manners! Who to blame? We can only blame the government for stopping parents from discipline their children pacific way. OK!
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Why is our pacific prison population so high, and what is being done to reduce it?
Our Pacific Viewpoint panelists discuss the issue.
View Pacific Viewpoint EP8 - 2010 here: http://pacificviewpoint.blogspot.com/201...-2010.html
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:I would like to see more dialogue on this topic. Good work on the Advisor from the Prison for raising the issue over the responsibility of the Community.
I like the comments by one of the panel about the challenge for the Department of Corrections to show more commitment towards the rehabilitation and reintegration of Pacific people.
We should bring some of the actual church leaders to face up to the problem because they are just as responsible for the problem.
Was it a Pacific prisoner who killed the officer recently? Can you find out?
How much does the Department of Corrections invest in suitable programs for the Pacific prisoners, and how committed are they to the Pacific people?
Fo'i'one'onena Wrote:I have to disagree with a lot of things this panel said on this programme. While I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss pacific issues on tele, I am of the understanding that the NZ pacific inmates are adults. Listening to the dialoque, it seems to me they are pointing their fingers to these two important institutions which are first of all "Families" and "Churches". May be there are some truths in it, but I am not convinced that the root of the problems are the families and churches. No no no no! If we're talking about the root problems then we have to try and understand what causes our families and churches to behave the way they do. That is the root problems. I will blame the cultures because it is our culture that made our families and churches do what they do. You see! I believe we should overhaul the pacific cultures from top to bottom and bottom to top and modernise it a bit to match the 21st century...I can guarantee that half of our problems gone!!!
Grow up....these prisoners come from families, and most of the Pacific prisoners were raised by families of church affiliation. You are one of the people contributing to the problem by trying to take the culture out of Pacific people. You can never take a culture out of anyone, it is something they are born with. It is like taking your soul and heart out of your body.
Religion needs to be carefully nurtured into our people's culture in order to be rightfully respected. Jesus did not have to ignore his culture while delivering his ministry. He was a proud Jew who stood up to the church leaders that gambled and abused his Father's temple.
The increase in Pacific people heading to prisons are often those who blame the culture, instead of taking responsibilities for themselves. People like you lack accountability and quick to blame culture that has been an important part and essence of our ancestral cultural heritage.
Kehekehe Wrote:It's about time to retrieve our pi way of discipline hihihihihihihi Once a knock on the cheek say hello to nice manners! Who to blame? We can only blame the government for stopping parents from discipline their children pacific way. OK!
I kind of agree with you on this.
The government somehow dictated to the Pacific that we should change the way we bring up our children.
The imprisonment is not a major issues in our Island nation where the culture is very much alive and well practised by those with wisdom and knowledge.
But the government found it easy to blame our cultural upbringing as an excuse in order for them to dictate to us how to live as proud Pacific people.
Now we have young people who answer back to their parents by threatening them with the law that caters for them, and nothing to equip the parents in order to sustain better family environment.
Great show. This panel came across as smart and intelligent.
They all represented different views, and were more upfront with their debate.
It is sad to hear that more of our people are making prisons as their homes.
We need to have more of these kind of panelists who can speak clearly and are able to articulate their views on the topic.
Good on the Reverend Minister for his bold challenge. I wish all church ministers could be brave like him.
Well done.
Fo'i'one'onena Wrote:I have to disagree with a lot of things this panel said on this programme. While I am grateful for the opportunity to discuss pacific issues on tele, I am of the understanding that the NZ pacific inmates are adults. Listening to the dialoque, it seems to me they are pointing their fingers to these two important institutions which are first of all "Families" and "Churches". May be there are some truths in it, but I am not convinced that the root of the problems are the families and churches. No no no no! If we're talking about the root problems then we have to try and understand what causes our families and churches to behave the way they do. That is the root problems. I will blame the cultures because it is our culture that made our families and churches do what they do. You see! I believe we should overhaul the pacific cultures from top to bottom and bottom to top and modernise it a bit to match the 21st century...I can guarantee that half of our problems gone!!!
If you take the culture out of people, you might as well disappear from the face of the earth.
Culture is part and parcel of our whole being. But it is the way we live that is the problem Stop abusing the culture, it is what makes you who you are. The panel is right in asking for accountability from the community. How can they go to church every Sunday, and then go home and abuse their children?
Ace Wrote:Grow up....these prisoners come from families, and most of the Pacific prisoners were raised by families of church affiliation. You are one of the people contributing to the problem by trying to take the culture out of Pacific people.
Just by reading the above statement, it just clears all doubt why we have so many in prisons. It's belittling attitude such as this towards others who have different opinions and beliefs that leads into violence offenses that are so dominant in our young pi's. I am not excluding myself from it because I am a product of the same culture.
I have to agree with Foioneone, not that the culture is bad but it is a major source of the problems. I'm sure we cannot eliminate our culture, and we shouldn't, but we can be aware of the differences between our own and that of the host country. Our youth are caught between these cultures and don't know how to response and the only way they know how takes them to jail. Parenting in a foreign culture is a biggy and needs to be taught in church. If the time the churces rob of the parents are used to teach the partents about how to raise their families in a different culture, I think that would benefit both the church and the families. I agree with the minister about the church a major contributing factor to the issue at hand.
Nau Wrote:Ace Wrote:Grow up....these prisoners come from families, and most of the Pacific prisoners were raised by families of church affiliation. You are one of the people contributing to the problem by trying to take the culture out of Pacific people.
Just by reading the above statement, it just clears all doubt why we have so many in prisons. It's belittling attitude such as this towards others who have different opinions and beliefs that leads into violence offenses that are so dominant in our young pi's. I am not excluding myself from it because I am a product of the same culture.
I have to agree with Foioneone, not that the culture is bad but it is a major source of the problems. I'm sure we cannot eliminate our culture, and we shouldn't, but we can be aware of the differences between our own and that of the host country. Our youth are caught between these cultures and don't know how to response and the only way they know how takes them to jail. Parenting in a foreign culture is a biggy and needs to be taught in church. If the time the churces rob of the parents are used to teach the partents about how to raise their families in a different culture, I think that would benefit both the church and the families. I agree with the minister about the church a major contributing factor to the issue at hand.
Nau, don't take part of the sentence without the supporting information that qualifies the point I was making.
Religion needs to be nurtured into all our Pacific's culture. There is nothing wrong with the Pacific culture. It is the way the people practise the culture that is wrong, especially when they abused it for their own personal agenda.
I visit the prisons a lot, and I see and hear a lot of these stories. The young generations of nowadays have got so much available to them than we never had in the past, and the more we give, the more they take and demand. There is lack of accountability from the parents themselves to teach the culture correctly to the youths. This is because a lot of young parents don't know the culture themselves, and then to avoid taking responsibility for their poor knowledge, they find blaming the culture the easy way out. And so their children grow up to do the same.
Stop blaming the Culture...........
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