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Na'a ke fehu`i: Ko e Temokalati, ko ha me`a nai ia ma`a Tonga?
Ko `eku tali ki ai: Kapau ko e Temokalati `e lava ai 'e he kakai ke fakalele `a e pule`anga `o fakatatau mo `enau fiema`u, pea ta ko e Temokalati ko e me`a ia ma`a Tonga foki.
'I he malumalu pe 'o e talanoa ki he Temokalati, 'oku ou faka'amu ke toutou fakamanatu tatu'olahi, hange pe ko ia kuo toutou mahe'a mei he ngaahi media fekau`aki mo e kaveinga tatau, `a `etau totonu ko e kakai ke tau kau atu hono alea`i mo kaungaa fakalele `a e anga hono pule`i `akitautolu mo `etau koloa fakafonua. Ko e ha ha totonu `a e tu`i mo hono pule`anga ke nau fakafaingata'a'ia 'etau feinga atu 'akitautolu ko e kakai, ke tau kaungaa pule'i hono fakalele `a e anga `o `etau mo`ui mo `etau koloa fakafonua, 'o fou atu he sino ko e pule'anga? Ko e tali pee 'oku haa mahino maii, 'ko e totonu fakakonisitutone 'oku ma'u 'e he tu'i'. Pea te tau fakatotolo leva 'o anga pehe ni: Ko e konisitutone na'e fa'u 'e hai? Tali: 'e Tupou 'Uluaki. Fehu`i: Ko hai 'a Tupou 'Uluaki? Tali: Ko e tu'i 'o Tonga. Fehu'i: Ko 'ene ma'u mei fe 'a e totonu ko ia ke ne fa'u ha lao ke ne hoko ai ko hotau tu'i ke pule mo fakalele 'etau koloa mo 'etau mo'ui fakafonuaa - te'eki ke tau loto ki ai? Tali: Ma'u meia te ia pe. Fehu'i: Te tau ui e fa'ahinga ma'u meia te ia ko 'eni ko e ha? Tali: Te tau ui ia ko e fakamalohi. Fehu'i: Ko e ha hono 'uhinga? Tali: he 'oku 'ikai ha'ane totonu 'e taha matemate (he ko iaa ko e tangata pe 'o tatau mo kitautolu) ke ne fa'u mai ha lao ke fakamo'ulaloa'i'aki ha falukunga kakai fakatatau mo honau lotoo he taumaiaa ko ha kau popula fakanatula 'a e kakai. Fehu'i: me'anii 'oku 'ikai ko e founga pe ia ne pule'i'aki 'a Tonga talu mei kilukilua, 'o pule'i fakatu'i? Tali: 'oku 'ikai ko ha 'uhinga ia ke pehee ai 'oku 'ikai ke 'i ai ha'atau totonu, ko e kakai, ke tau kau ki hono pule'i 'etau mo'ui mo e koloa fakafonua'aki 'etau fili 'akinautolu ke nau pule'i 'akitautoluu pe ko ia 'oku ui ko e pule'anga.
Te u ngata a he ka u toki hoko atu.
Sefo
Democracy is for everyone. 'Oku hanga 'ehe fa'ahinga pule fakatemokalati 'o 'omai 'ae ngaahi tefito'i mo'oni ko 'eni:
1. Tau'ataina ke lea
2. Tau'ataina ke fakaanga
3. Tau'ataina ke fakaha 'ene fakakaukau
4. Pea moe tau'ataina to express him/herself to maximum potential.
Tonga is not a democratic government therefore, 'oku tau ha'iha'isia ke lea na'a tau kovi kia hou'eiki mo e tu'i. 'Oku tau popula ke ha'i ta'ovala neongo 'oku 'ikai ke tau fie ta'ovale moe ha fua.
Ko hai ia ha vale tene 'ilo 'ae fa'ahinga pule 'e ma'u ai 'ene Tau'ataina pea fili ia ke hoko atu pe 'ae popula.
Kuo fuoloa ta'u 'etau popula kihe 'ulungaanga fakafonua. Na'e 'uhinga hono tufaki mai 'oe kau nopele takitaha ki he kolo ke nau tokanga'i 'ae kolo koia. Tafoki hake 'ae 'ulungaanga fakafonua ia 'o fafanga 'ehe kolo takitaha hono hou'eiki. Me'a fakapiko 'aupito ia 'ihe anga 'o 'eku vakai. Malo 'aupito tamasi'i Sefo 'ae talanga malie moe fakalanga fakakaukau.
Malo 'aupito 531 e taanaki mai ke langalanga hake 'a e kaveinga ni. 'Oku ou manatu'i hake 531 e me'a ko 'eni lolotonga 'eku fakakaukau ki he kaveinga 'o e temokalatii ma'a Tonga. Ko u manatu ki he lau 'a e filosefa 'iloa ne pehee: 'Kuo 'ikai ke toe hano fa'ahinga filio'i 'o e fakamatalaa fekau'aki mo e mamanii hono fai 'e he kau filosefa, ko me'a 'eni ia 'oku toee ke tau liliu 'a e mamanii'. Ko 'eku 'uhingaa 531 'oku fakamanatu mai 'e he lau ni 'a e me'a totonu 'oku hoko ki Tonga. Kuo 'ikai toe ha fakamatala maalie fekau'aki mo Tonga hono fai 'e kitautolu 'oku tau teke ki he liliu fakatemokalati ma'a Tonga, 'o tatau 'i Tonga mo muli foki, pea kuo 'ikai toe ha fokotu'u lelei hono 'ave atu mo e 'ikai pe. Ka ko e me'a 'eni 'oku toee 531 ke tau liliu aa 'etautolu 'a Tonga. Ko e anga pe ia 'eku fakahua 531 ka 'oku te'eki ke u fakakaukau'i hoku valee pe 'e anga feefee 'a e fo'i liliu 'e fai.
Kau lepa si'i he 531, telia na'a te paki'i ha lousiale.
Masi'i Sefo,
Malie 'ae talanga moe vahevahe 'oe fakakaukau. Na'a ku fa'a pehe 'ihe taimi lahi, kuo ta tu'o lahi 'ae feinga moe 'ikai pe. 'Oku ou pehe ke 'oua 'e toe fakakaukau'i pe 'e paki'i e matala'i lousiale, kae fai mo paki'i leva. 'Oku lea 'aki 'ae to'i 'oe sialee he taimi 'oku paki'i ai, tautautefito 'okapau 'oku kei lanu mata.
Ko 'ena 'oku ou 'osi fanongo ai 'oku faka'amu mai 'a 737 ia mo 'Epalahame ke na ngaue'aki 'ena ongo povai ke paki'i 'aki 'ae lousiale. Pea 'e kamata pe mei matafale 'o fevanga mo fefafaa... ta toki hoko atu 'eta lavee 'apongipongi kau 'alu 'o mohe he kuo valenga 'ae po.
Ongo tama kapau ko ho'omo fakakaukau ke fai mo paki'i e matala'i lousiale, pea 'oku ou pehee 'oua te tau toe feinga ke tui kahoa he lousialee kae paki'i matala'ilosee. Pea 'oku ou kole ke tuku mai ia kia "blood" ke ne fakahoko 'eia 'ae ki'i fatongia koia. 'Oku faingofua pe ia he 'oku 'ikai kete toe kaka ki 'okunga kiha fu'u mango ke toli Siale moe lose mei ai, ka 'oku te tu'u pe 'i lalo 'o pakipaki pe ai 'ae matala'ilose.
Mo ki'i fakalika mai pe pe koe fe taimi 'e kamata ai 'etau toli lousialse mou loulosee.
hange kiate au 'oku mou ki'i kaipo he fo'i topiki ko 'eni. Mou vahe mai ketau 'inasi kotoa ai telia na'a hanu ha taha.
'Oku ou ki'i kakau tama he ngaahi talanoa fuka 'oku fai he topiki ko'eni. Mahalo pe temou anga'ofa 'o 'oua temou talanoa tuhutuhu kae 'ai pe ke tau 'ilo kotoa kiai.
'Ofa atu kau talanga.
Panel, 'oku ou tui tatau pe au mo Blood 531 etc he'enau talanoa fuka. Tuku pe ke a'u 'ae kau a'uu pea tautau 'ae ta'ea'uu. That is the beauty of it all.
Sefo, where are you?
Toe li mai ha fo'i kaveinga 'e taha he 'oku ifo 'ae kaveinga kuo ke tuku mai kihe ha'ofanga ni.
Malo ipod, 531, blood mo panel e kei 'a'a mai.
Ne u ki'i taimi hee ko e teuteu e ki'i fatongia ki 'apongipongi ka ko eni kuo te'eki pe maau ha me'a ia kae tuku ai leva ia ki tafa'aki. 'I he'etau tukuhua ko eni ki ha founga ke liliu'aki 'a Tongaa kau tangata, 'oku ou manatu ki he 'uhinga ne faifai ai pea 'i ai ha ha'a tu'i Kanokupolu: 'a e laine ko ena 'oku 'i ai 'a Saasi 5. Mou manatu'i foki ko e tu'i tongaa 'a e 'uluaki laine tu'i 'i Tongaa talu mei a 'Aho'eitu he 950AD. Ne lahilahi hono fakapoongi kinautolu (ko e fu'u lahi 'enau ngaahi kovi'i si'i kakai, 'ikai ke nau topono pe aa hono fata holo kinautoluu; 'oatu mo e me'atokoni; kau ngaue; kau fakame'ite me'a kotoa;fanga ki'i tamaiki fefine talavoutaha, faka'ofo'ofa taha he fonuaa foaki kotoa atu ia ma'a e tu'i tonga ke fa'iteliha ki ai) ka ne nau toe toho si'i kakai 'o hange tofu ha misini. Mou sioloto atu pe ki he ngaahi fu'u langi 'i Lapaha mo Mu'a mo e ngaahi keli kolotau ko iaa pea 'e ma'u ai pe 'etau fakafuofuaa ki he ngaue mate 'a e kakai ki he tu'i tonga honau taimi. Ka 'oku tau kei ngaaue mate tatau pe he lolotonga ni ki he ha'a tu'i kanokupolu, ka 'i he founga fakaeonopooni ia: 'Oku tu'unga ai 'etau feinga ko eni ki he temokalati. Kaekehe, tupunga mei hono fakapoongi kinautolu ne nau fakakaukau ai ke fokotu'u ha laine 'e taha ke nau faifatongia mo fehangahangai hangatonu mo e kakai ka nau 'ela fakalangilangi pee aa kinautolu 'o malu mei hono fakapoongi. Ko e kamata'anga ia 'o e ha'a tu'i ha'a Takalaua. Ne toe hoko e faingata'a tatau ki he ha'a tu'i ni pea ne tuku atu ai he tu'i ha'a Takalaua, Mo'ungatonga, hono foha ko Ngata ('oku pehee ne fa'ee Ha'amoa) ke 'alu 'o tokanga'i 'a Hihifo he ne nau fu'u fakafepaki 'aupito. Ko e kamata'anga ia e ha'a tu'i Kanokupolu 'i Hihifo (Ne hiki atu ai pe mo e kainga Ha'amoa 'o Ngataa, kainga 'o 'ene fa'ee ki Hihifo: 'oku ma'u mei ai e hingoa Kanokupolu, 'uhingaa 'flesh of Upolu') pea ko nautolu ena 'oku ha'u mei ai e masi'i talangata'a ko ena ko Saasi 5.
Ko 'eku poini leva kau tangata, ko e founga teke ma'ongo'onga tahaa, kae vave ange ai hano tuku mai ke tau fili 'a e pule'angaa, ko hono matu'aki pressure e fale 'o Saasi 5 ki he lahitaha 'e ala lavaa (he founga kotoa pe ne 'osi fakahoko pe 'oku lolotonga fakahoko pe 'e fakahoko), ke nau ongo'i 'oku 'ikai ke kei malu 'enau mo'uii pea ko u tui te nau fai leva 'a e me'atatau ne fai he ha'a tu'i tonga: 'O tuku mai hono fakalele 'o e fonuaa ka nau 'ela fakalangilangi pe aa na ko e me'a ia te nau malu aii. 'Osi ange ko iaa kau tangata, ko e founga tatau pe ia ne nau hoko ai ki he tu'unga ko ena 'oku nau 'i ai he taimi ni - ko e tu'i Kanokupolu: ko e male'ei kimui 'a e kau sulu ko 'eee ka nau 'asi hake nautolu: Taimi ni male'ei atu nautolu ki mui kae 'asi hake 'a e kakai 'o fakalele 'etau me'aa.
Tuku e fie taki Sefo moe te'esupo. Mou oo 'o 'ai hamou pule'anga ke mou pule ai pea 'oatu 'ae fakahihi'anga ko 'ena ko 'Akilisi ke hoko ko homou taki. Ko homou fe'ungaa pe ia.
Kalafi's fan
Kou 'ilo 'oku ke ngaue he Taimi o Tonga. Ko 'Ulu'alo Po'uhila koe . Toe si'i pea u lele atu ki homou 'ofisi 'o paa'i koe ke fonu ho tasese. Na'u ta koe 'i 'Apifo'ou he taimi ko 'ee pea teu toe taa pe ko e he taimi ni ke fonu ai pe ho tasese, pea u 'alu au mo ho finemotu'aa ka ke faka'ofa. Taimi 'oku mau feme'a'aki aii pea ke tangutu ki lalo 'o tui ho taipa na'u toe ui atu 'a Lino ke vevela'i koe.
Si'i kau tangata/fefine 'ofa mo'oni he kakai masiva 'o Tonga: Ipod, 737, Blood, Epalahame, Moana, 531, ionaxe, panel. 'Oatu e poupou ki he ngaue lelei 'oku mou fai ma'ae liliu 'i Tonga. Ne lave 'a e tokotaha, kia 'Akilisi lolotonga 'ene 'i Nu'usila 'i ha fakataha fekau'aki mo e 16/11, pe ko e ha 'ene ongo ki he fu'u kavenga fakafonua ko ia 'oku hilifaki hono uma fekau'aki mo hono teke 'o e liliu. Ne tali he fakafofonga 'io 'oku fu'u mamafa fau 'a e kavenga ni ki hono fua, ka 'e tokoni foki ke vahevahe atu ke toe ki'i ma'ama'a ange 'aki ha'atau kau fakataha. Ko ia kau tangata/fefine 'i he'etau fai eni he forum ko eni 'oku tau vahevahe mai ai e kavenga fakafonua ni kiate kitautolu kae toe ma'ama'a ange ai hono fua.
sefo
Kalafi fan's fanongo mai ho telinga supo kau kaila atu ke ongoleleli ki ho ihu ta'efanongo...ke sio ki he tutututu 'a Nalofa koe fuofua fakatokanga ia kiamoutolu...ngali ha foou ia kia koe moe niihi kau teepato he pule'anga...koe fakatokanga mamafa eni kia moutolu kau telinga veveli moe kia kekeva...ko emau luelue atu eni kihe Pule'anga fo'ou koe TEMOKALATI 'oku lolotonga folofola kiai 'a Akilisi...kei fai pe Akilisi ia hono fatongia koe fakafofonga 'a e kakai ki falealea ka ko mautolu ko eni kakai kuo mau MAAMA pea kuo mau 'ilo e me'a kotoa...fai pe homou lulutava ka koe 'aho 'emau lulutava koe 'aho ia teke pehe ai koe HA'ELE'ANGAUA ENI 'A E 'EIKI...sai 'alu pe moe ongo Manilala 'o kai he falekai pahia 'i loto Aokalani na i Nuusila na pea hili pe totongi mamafa ki he uma e kakai totongi 'uhila...'oku ou lolotonga takai holo heni i Utah ni mo Brad Pitt koe toe 'eti'i e konga hono 2 'oe TROY pea teke sio ai ki he hele'i e monga...
'oku mau 'ofa atu ki he kakai e fonua 'enau takitaha fai honau lelei taha ka mou toho pe ki nautolu 'o lau koe kainanga e fonua...'e 'iai e 'aho te mou sio ai ki he nunu'a e te'ekumaa homou 'ulu hono ngaahi kovi'i e kakai....pea talaatu ki he pilikatia ke teuteu e sotia ke fefeka ange 'ene me'afana...malo hoomou lava fakamahafu ke ta'ofi'aki e kakai...he 'oku mou pehe 'oku ai ha misinikani e kakai ke mou fepaki???
tokanga ha taha 'e ta toki'i ha motu'a pea koe toe foki pe 'a Tonga ia ki he angamu'a koe taimi 'oe kai tangata moe fakapo'uli...sai pe ko ho'omou ngaahi fo'i la'i imisi taa heni oku mau ma'u koe 'aho tu'uta ha Taki Ma'olunga 'i Utah ni koe toki fakahokoatu pe he ngalu'ea ha ongoongo fakamamahi....
MASI'I SEFO, KUO 'ALU NOA PE HOKU LO'IMATAA HE LAU HO'O FAKALOTOLAHI. KO KITAUTOLUU FOKI KOE KAU ta'x'ILOA PE HE FONUAA PEA 'OKU TE FAKA'AMU ANGE 'E KITA NA'A TE POTO 'O HANGEE KO KIMOUTOLUU KAU HOPO KI LOTO 'O FAI HA ME'A KE HE PE KE TE SI'I 'AONGA KIHOTAU KAKAI.
'OKU OU TUI KOE ME'A PE 'ENI TEU LAVA KOE FUHU NGUTU PE HE NGAAHI WEBSITE HEI'ILO 'E FAKATOKANGA'I 'EHE PULE'ANGAA 'AE NGAAHI TALANGA 'OKU TAU FAI.
MALO MU'A KAU TANGATA MOE KAU FEFINE 'AE FAKALOTOLAHI PEA MALO SEFO 'AE TEKE MAI 'OE KAVEINGA NI. TOE LI MAI HA FO'I KAVEINGA 'E TAHA SEFO KE TAU TALANOA AI HE 'OKU IFO 'AE TALANOAA HE MAHINO HOTAU HALAA.
'OKU 'IKAI FOKI KEU POTO HONO FAKAHU ATU HA TOPIKI HE FORUM, KA 'OKU OU TUI 'E LAVA 'E KIMOUTOLU KO'ENAA 'O FAKAHU MAI HA NGAAHI KAVEINGA KE TAU LAFO AI.
MALO.
737.
Malo malo malo e lavelave moe talanga
Oku ikai foki teu fkmalo hingoa telia naa to taha kau ongoi taelata, mei vale he kata ihe etau tangata malanga lolotonga ene malanga kuo asi mai fili, hifo meihe tuunga malanga tuli tamatei ikai mau toe foki mai hoko atu!!!!malie masii ko hono ai ia, koe taimi eni lea moe ngaue. Teu foki kihe taumua. Oku totonu koaa ke Temokalati a Tonga? YES. Why?
Kuo fuoloa ae tatali e vaka ke tuuta ki uafu kae pango (lower light) maama mei uta oku ikai ulo, oku totonu ke ulo mai ke na inline moe maama mei olungaa e (light house) koe toki taimi pe he hisitolia ne ulo mai ai e maama mei uta koe 16/11 o unu atu eni e vaka (Temokalati) mooni lau kau leka toe ngeesi nima pe ki uafu, aua kohai ia e toe mohe he kuo tau tuuta, laui senituli moe tukituki he ng tafaaki kehekehe moe ikai pe, koe mea oku malie koenau ngaue fkpouli (puleanga) he koe kakai eni oku nau sio he maama pea mahino enau ng fkkaukau moe taumua kihe kahau moenau fanau. Manatui koe tuuta ae vaka (Temokalati) i uafu mahalo pe e mofuike, uhalahi, afaa, mana pea fkpopouli a natula, toki lele holo Savali, Lafi, Afe, Tuli, G5, moe kotoa kau Teeeee!!!!!!!! sioange kuo tau monuia he koe ng fkilonga eni oe osi ae mamani, kuo tau hao meihe kakai, ta koa koe kamata angaia ho nau fkmaauii, heikai toe fkmaau eke hange koe toko 5 PR, e fili fkhaha loto pe kakai o nau hilifaki tautea koe tautau oiaue oiaue, saiange Saddam......... toki hoko atu
'Io 'oku mo'oni 'aupito e lau 'a Lolo6 he'ene mei vale he kataa, he taufetuli 'a e tangata malanga mo e fili. Ko hono 'uhinga ia lolo6 'o e lea ko ia ko e, 'hilifaki e uipii ki he tu'a 'o e vale'.
Uipi 'e Sisu Kalaisi 'a e kau faifakatau he temipale. 'Osi pea ne toe foki ki he tu'unga 'o hoko atu e malanga. Ko e ha hono 'uhinga? He ko e founga pe ia 'oku ako'i 'aki 'a e valee. Talamai 'e hai? Talamai tonu 'e Sisu.
Ko ia Lolo6 "ko e me'afua tatau pe 'e 'omai 'e he valee, 'e toe ako'i'aki 'a e valee, he 'oku ta'x'aonga 'a e mata'itofe hono li ki he fanga puakaa".
Ko e lesoni pe kia 'Alo.
Faka'osi, ne ta'omia pe 'ia au lolo6 ke ke kau hono fakamalo'ia he'etau kau forum 'ofa mo'oni he si'i kakai masiva 'i Tonga. Ko u fakatokanga'i hake ne 'ikai te ke kau pea ke kataki pe 'oua te ke ta'elataa.
malo.
Sefo
Democracy- is it for Tonga?
The current system of government, having the nobles, and those appointed by the king with a minority of democratically elected peoples representatives . Does this allow a cross section of the community to have a voice inside the parliament?
More to the point- Do Tongan citizens require a voice inside the parliament?
Can the majority of the population be certain that their concerns and issues are represented inside the parliament?
Can the majority of the citizens that make up the bulk of the revenue earners for the country (in terms of taxes and development) be certain that their views can not only be heard inside the parliament, but can laws and regulations be subsequently made to either address or improve their needs and concerns?
Would it not be correct to say that Tonga has many outside of the parliament that have wisdom, qualifications and expertise in providing guidance to lead the country?
It has been discussed that Tonga has one of the highest numbers per capita of citizens with Degrees, Doctorates and Other High educational qualifications. The government supports this and is proud to advertise this achievement. It is these qualified men and women that have perhaps the greatest understanding of issues that can affect Tonga, but are hampered by the failure of the right of democracy.
What about the educators of our children. Are they not at the coal face of the education system that are guiding our children to be the leaders and strength of the country for tomorrow? Would it be reasonable to think that these educators may also play an important role in understanding the needs of educating our children now.
What about the police and defence services personnel? They too face the hardships of Tonga that are hidden from many. They see the crime, violence, domestic abuse and hardship of our own people. Would they also not have some advise to share with the rest of the country too?
And the business people. Many Tongans have their own businesses and face the perils of dealing with read tape, licensing and trade barriers . Would there be any advantage of having such skilled employers and business people in the parliament making recommendations to improve systems to make business more profitable, employing more people?
There are only a limited number of seats in the parliament. But there are so many sectors across Tonga that have a unique expertise to offer to the country.
Would a plausible solution be to have democracy to allow each of these people to have a say if not have the right to have an effective vote that formulates the polices and direction for Tonga.
Reiterating what I mentioned above. Tonga lays claim to having a high level of well educated people. Would it be fair to say that the expertise of these people can be put to use by allowing them the right to nominate, advocate and vote on polices that they see to be advantageous to Tonga?
Are there disadvantages of allowing the educated and skilled ones from entering parliament to provide their expertise on behalf of their colleagues and making laws that govern the country?
Is there any purpose in denying this cross section of the community, the right to have a say in how Tonga can be improved and governed?
The current system prevents our wise, educated and skilled people from having a say in the operation of Tonga. What are the benefits for Tonga in keeping this system any longer?
Within the current political system, those that are wise and skilled are overlooked for such appointments, remaining as it were at the bottom of a system. The nobility and friends of the king are appointed and placed with a great views of the kingdom.
In any case…"A wise man can see more from the bottom of a well than a fool can from the top of a mountain.”
Fakatafa, again I find my self agreeing with you. Government it would seem currently and for generations past is nothing more than a status trip for selfish hearts.
Look at all the so called "Pro demos" who were hardcore but switched quickly when offered "status" and "importance" of a ministerial job.
It's sickening, it's woven in our culture to allow these "Oh i worship you who suddenly have a high job" to reign with absolute power and praise the nobles for fear of loosing our land and the hassles that come with "standing up for truth".
We give them food, mats and money when they come to our churches, we put them at the front and give them special chairs, we verbally praise them more than God.
Could it not be said than that it is our fault?
Yes you are right we are missing our highly educated people in government,
but consider this, it would seem they too have the status bug and that would be more of a disaster,
Why?,
because than we would have highly educated people coming up with highly educated and thought out ways of fooling and ripping off the people,
at minimal, the current Government makes it plainly obvious.
Democracy will never be "perfect" it will bring new problems, but at least this we can say for sure, with our hand on our heart, "we can't complain anymore because we voted these idiots in".
Investigator Wrote:...Democracy will never be "perfect" it will bring new problems, but at least this we can say for sure, with our hand on our heart, "we can't complain anymore because we voted these idiots in".
Great! since i never voted these idiots in either!
Democracy is for Tonga BUT it is not the kind of democracy you lot are talking about... We will have a democracy fakatonga pea 'e he'ikai to'o 'eha taha 'ae mafai 'oe Tu'ii mei he'ene pule'i 'a Tonga.
Kaume'a fakamolemole atu he fuoloa 'a e puli he na'amau o ki tu'a 'Eua 'o fai 'emau sengai pea ko e ma'u atu pea 'oku lolotonga fakatau atu 'i tu'imatamoana kau afe mai heni 'o say hello atu malo e laumalie 'a e kakai 'o e fonua pea malo mo e kei makalo holo 'a G5 mo Sevele.
Democracy is for Tonga BUT it is not the kind of democracy you lot are talking about... We will have a democracy fakatonga pea 'e he'ikai to'o 'eha taha 'ae mafai 'oe Tu'ii mei he'ene pule'i 'a Tonga.
Sevele he 'ikai temau to'o ia 'emautolu e mafai 'o G5 na'amau namu t** ai ka 'e toku to'o pe ia 'e 'auha.
Feleti Sevele Wrote:Democracy is for Tonga BUT it is not the kind of democracy you lot are talking about... We will have a democracy fakatonga pea 'e he'ikai to'o 'eha taha 'ae mafai 'oe Tu'ii mei he'ene pule'i 'a Tonga.
'Oku ou tui ko e lau 'a Sevele 'oku ne fakafofonga'i 'e sio 'a e fa'ahinga tokolahi. Ne 'i ai e lau kimu'a atu 'o pehee 'oku 'i ai e me'a ko e Temokalati fakatonga 'a ia 'o pehee ko 'etau ngaahi ouau hange ko 'etau fetokoni'aki he putuu mo e ngaahi me'a pehee: 'Oku tau 'asi atu ki he putu 'o me'aa pea 'i he taimi 'e hoko ai 'ete putuu pea 'e 'asi mai leva 'a me'a ki ai, mo e ngaahi faka'uhinga kehekehe pe fekau'aki mo e temokalati hange ko ia kuo tuku mai 'e Sevele. Ka ko ha fakalea anga maheni 'o e temokalati 'oku tau anga he fanongo aii 'oku pehee, 'pule'anga fili 'e he kakaii ma'a kinautolu'. Ko e anga ia 'o e fakakaukau fakalukufua ki he pule'anga fakatemokalati ko e 'pule 'a e kakai' ('aki 'enau fili 'a kinautolu ke fakalele 'a e pule'anga). Kapau ko e fakakaukau ia 'o e temokalati ko e 'pule 'a e kakai', pea ta 'oku 'ikai ke toe 'i ai mo ha toe me'akehe mei he uho ko e 'pule 'a e kakai' 'e taau ke toe ui ko e temokalati. Kapau te tau toe pehee, "tau temokalati fakatonga 'o pule pe 'a e tu'i he fonua pe pule'anga". 'Oku ui e fa'ahinga me'a ko 'eni ko hono feinga ke fakapiti, hange ha hoosi, 'a e temokalati 'o feinga'i ia ke fiti ini mo 'etau fiema'u, ka 'oku 'ikai ko e fakakaukau ia 'o e temokalati ke pule tokotaha ha tu'i pe ko ha taha. 'Oku 'i ai pe hono hingoa 'ona 'o e fa'ahinga pule'anga pehe ni ka 'oku 'ikai toe fakapipiki fakangalingali ai e fo'i lea ko e temokalati he ko e kaakaa ia mo e feinga faka'alinga lelei (pea tanaki pe ki ai, he taimi 'e ni'ihi, mo e ta'emahino).
malo.
sefo
sefo Wrote:Feleti Sevele Wrote:Democracy is for Tonga BUT it is not the kind of democracy you lot are talking about... We will have a democracy fakatonga pea 'e he'ikai to'o 'eha taha 'ae mafai 'oe Tu'ii mei he'ene pule'i 'a Tonga.
'Oku ou tui ko e lau 'a Sevele 'oku ne fakafofonga'i 'e sio 'a e fa'ahinga tokolahi. Ne 'i ai e lau kimu'a atu 'o pehee 'oku 'i ai e me'a ko e Temokalati fakatonga 'a ia 'o pehee ko 'etau ngaahi ouau hange ko 'etau fetokoni'aki he putuu mo e ngaahi me'a pehee: 'Oku tau 'asi atu ki he putu 'o me'aa pea 'i he taimi 'e hoko ai 'ete putuu pea 'e 'asi mai leva 'a me'a ki ai, mo e ngaahi faka'uhinga kehekehe pe fekau'aki mo e temokalati hange ko ia kuo tuku mai 'e Sevele. Ka ko ha fakalea anga maheni 'o e temokalati 'oku tau anga he fanongo aii 'oku pehee, 'pule'anga fili 'e he kakaii ma'a kinautolu'. Ko e anga ia 'o e fakakaukau fakalukufua ki he pule'anga fakatemokalati ko e 'pule 'a e kakai' ('aki 'enau fili 'a kinautolu ke fakalele 'a e pule'anga). Kapau ko e fakakaukau ia 'o e temokalati ko e 'pule 'a e kakai', pea ta 'oku 'ikai ke toe 'i ai mo ha toe me'akehe mei he uho ko e 'pule 'a e kakai' 'e taau ke toe ui ko e temokalati. Kapau te tau toe pehee, "tau temokalati fakatonga 'o pule pe 'a e tu'i he fonua pe pule'anga". 'Oku ui e fa'ahinga me'a ko 'eni ko hono feinga ke fakapiti, hange ha hoosi, 'a e temokalati 'o feinga'i ia ke fiti ini mo 'etau fiema'u, ka 'oku 'ikai ko e fakakaukau ia 'o e temokalati ke pule tokotaha ha tu'i pe ko ha taha. 'Oku 'i ai pe hono hingoa 'ona 'o e fa'ahinga pule'anga pehe ni ka 'oku 'ikai toe fakapipiki fakangalingali ai e fo'i lea ko e temokalati he ko e kaakaa ia mo e feinga faka'alinga lelei (pea tanaki pe ki ai, he taimi 'e ni'ihi, mo e ta'emahino).
malo.
sefo
Amen! Amen! faufaua atu ki ho'o ngaahi poinii Sefo. Koe fakakaukau 'oe temokalati fakatongaa ko hono 'aimahinoo ko 'etau toe foki pe kihe me'a mu'a 'o tali koee kia hou'eiki moe tu'i.
'Oku ou pehee ke to'o mu'a 'ae fo'i kakaa ia ko 'ena koe kofu tu'a mai'aki hotau 'ulungaanga fakafonuaa he te tau a'u kitautolu kihe heke ta'utu holo pe hono fua e kavenga 'ae kau nopele moe tu'i maumautaimi ko 'ena.
Koe 'uluaki fo'ilea 'oku fisiki mai mei he pule'anga fktemokalatii koe fo'i lea koe "FREEDOM".
Koe tau'ataina ke tau fili hotau kau taki.
Ko 'etau tau'ataina ke lea moe tau'ataina ke tau fakaanga'i ha me'a 'oku tau loto kiai. 'Oku ou 'ilo foki koe argument 'ae pule'angaa 'oku nau pehee 'oku tau 'osi tau'ataaina pe. Koe me'a ia 'oku ou ui 'eau koe BIG BS! 'Oku nau 'uhinga foki kinautolu koe tau'ataina ke tau mohe moe 'aa pea tau fiefiemalie ai pe 'o kole ki hotau ngaahi kainga mei muli ke laku mai mei ai 'ae pa'angaa ke fua 'aki 'ae kavenga 'ae pule'angaa. koe tamate mo'oni pe 'eni ia 'oku faii. Let's wake up and do something now whist still time.....
'Oku tatau ai pe pe ko e ha ha temokalati ka 'oku fiema'u ke faka'auha e pule'anga fakatu'i (pule fakatikitato mo siokita) he vave taha mo e lahi taha. Mou sio ki he'ena sipinga. Ko e hanu atu e kakai he mamafa 'a e 'uhila mo e ngaahi sevesi ma'olalo 'a e pule'anga kai ke teki mai. Kaiha'a 'a Feleti sevele he'etau tukuhau 'o tali 'aki e Marist 'ikai pe fai hano tautea. 'Oua pe ke ki'i ngali 'oku uesia e ongoongo 'o Sevele kuo 'oho mai 'e Pi'emo (PMO) toe pe nau 'emo hotau feleoko ke ma'a he feinga ke 'aofi 'a Toke!
Ko e me'a fakafiefia pe 'e temokalati tonga pe 'e temokalati fakaha. Ka ke mahino ko e temokalati kuo pau ke pule e kakai kotoa 'o e fonua 'aki ha'anau fili honau kau taki te nau fakafofonga'i kinautolu hono fakalele e pule'anga(representative government) Ko e mafai politikikale ia 'a e temokalati. Ko 'ene lava ia te mafai leva ke fulihi 'o to'o 'o faka'auha 'etau 'u angafakafonua (sosiale mo e kalatua) palaku mo fakapopula. Hange ko e mali famili 'a e tu'i mo hono fale. Mali pe 'a Nanasi mo Lavaka ko e ongo fu'u first cousin 'ena kui pea ko e tuonga'ane mo e tuofefine. Sio ange a kau tama ki he palaku fakalielia honau anga. Ka ne koe pati 'ena 'a ha ongo ki'i tuonga'ane mo tuofefine he kakai tu'a kuo fuoloa hono 'ave ki he fakamaau'anga ke na fakamatala ki he hia palaku kuo na fai pea tautea mamafa.
We can't have a democracy until we rid of the feudal system that was popular back in the medieval ages but that Tonga still uses as a way of governing its people and land today. PERIOD.
Koe Temokalati Fakatonga 'oku fu'u fiema'u lahi 'aupito ke fai kiai ha tokanga. Ko hono 'uhinga, ka fai fakatonga 'etau temokalati, 'e fiema'u kiai e ngaahi me'a fakatonga. Koe ngaahi me'a fakatonga si'i pe 'eni ke tau kamata 'aki 'etau 'temokalati fakatonga'.
Fiema'u:
1. Tu'i Tonga
2. Koloa Fakatonga
3. Vala Fakatonga (Sisi Lou Si)
4. Vaka Tahi Fakatonga (Kalia)
5. Vakapuna Fakatonga (Royal Tongan Airlines) or (lofa)
6. Vai Tonga (faito'o fakatonga)
'Oku ou tui 'oku fiema'u 'aupito ketau tokateu atu ki he'etau temokalati fakatonga he koe ngaue lahi ke fai kiai. Koia Feleti, mio'i, mio'i, mio'i, pea tetau fakaiku fakaoli.
Prisoner, 'oku ou tui 'oku totonu ke 'omai 'ae ki'i kulii 'ae Tu'ii 'o le'ohi 'ae PM pea mo'ene kau Minisita telia na'a tau toki hahaka hake pe ke fakahoko si'etau Temokalati fakaTongaa kuo 'osi e ki'i lepaa ia he touvai ai 'ae kau paipa. Koia 'oku ou kole fakamaatoato atu ke ke kataki 'o 'omai 'ae ki'i kulii kene le'ohi 'etau lepaa telia 'ae kau paipa...