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Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
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01-27-2012, 10:00 AM
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Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Leesha Mckenny
January 28, 2012
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Reverend Sione Pinomi ... fears for his ''poor church''. Photo: Wolter Peeters

SPORTING a black homburg and a silver-topped cane, the newly crowned King George Tupou V of Tonga looked every bit as grand as the $10 million church he had crossed the Pacific to open.
Three years later the grand Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga in Australia still stands in an estate of factories and warehouses near Rooty Hill in Sydney but the pride of the Polynesian community is cloaked in shame and debt. Owing $21 million, the Methodist church is set to collapse amid a confusion of parties, including 20,000 Tongans, Westpac and a Bankstown paint company with a sideline in short-term finance.

The church went into voluntary administration this month and into receivership this week, with the debt secured against church properties around the country.
The bulk of it - $18 million - is split between Westpac and an industrial paint business, Phoenix Lacquers & Paints, which lent the church $950,000 less than four years ago.
When the loan was not repaid after six months, during which time the interest rate was 5 per cent a month, a penalty was imposed and the interest rate increased to 6 per cent - or 72 per cent a year, the paint company said. The debt has now snowballed to more than $9 million. The church's plight is also a sensitive issue for Westpac, a major bank in Tonga. It has not received any payments on its loan of about $7 million for at least two years. The loan is now almost $9 million.

If the creditors and the Westpac-appointed administrator cannot agree on a way to restructure the debt, the building - modelled on a cathedral outside Tonga's capital, Nuku'alofa - will be put up for sale. So too may other church properties in Victoria and Queensland.
''The poor church … is the one that's going to be really, really crucified,'' said its spokesman, the Reverend Sione Pinomi.
He hoped a trust fund registered in the Cayman Islands would donate $10 million to help the church stay afloat.
Mr Pinomi said the annual money-donating festival, known as Misinale, had not been enough to cover operating costs of $300,000 a year for the past two years.
But available funds have never really matched costs. Although the Tongan-Australian community of 20,000 raised $3 million to help fund the construction, the money ran out in the final weeks before its opening in 2008.

When Westpac refused to extend its loan to cover the cost of the interior, Mr Pinomi said the church turned to private finance. A mortgage broker in Sydney, overseen by the church's solicitor, approached Phoenix Lacquers & Paints for a short-term loan.
The owner of Phoenix, Desmond Lee, said the broker was paid $60,000 to $70,000 and the loan covered the church's fittings. Mr Lee denied the 72 per cent annual interest rate was predatory. He said this week he was willing to accept $1.4 million if the church could restructure its debt.
''They understood that the interest rate was high but they entered into it because they needed to have the church finished,'' he said.
Mr Pinomi said the 2000 Tongan-Australians who greeted the monarch in their traditional dress that October day knew about the loan from Phoenix.
But he said the members of the church's executive committee - who were signed on as personal guarantors - had not really considered the ramifications of the high monthly interest rate, or their inability to raise donations to pay it back quickly.

''We thought about it when we looked at it after but it was too late,'' he said. ''The loan has already been done.''
The honorary consul to Tonga, Louise Waterhouse, said the church was the cornerstone of the community in Australia. ''It would be an absolute tragedy if it were lost to the Tongan people.''
But it is unclear how much the community knows about its desperate situation, even now.
Tongan-born James Latu, a Uniting Church minister at Petersham, said the church was such a priority in Tongan culture the community would endure personal hardships to try to fund it.
''The talk is that the place is paid off by someone else but they're not too sure,'' he said.
The administrator, Stephen Parbery of PPB, said ''you'd have to say there must have been a degree of financial naivety'' on the part of the church's leadership in some of its dealings.
Accompanied by his representative, the former Wallaby Daniel Manu, Mr Parbery said he met 60 to 70 parishioners last week to outline the situation - and received a standing ovation. ''I think there was a relief from them … that someone independent had come in to try to assist'' in saving the church.
But the reception was far from warm last week at the first meeting of creditors.
Phoenix, which since late 2010 has delayed a Supreme Court action to wind up the church - is seeking to replace PPB, which it claims is not acting independently.
Westpac said the church's ability to service its loan was assessed before it was approved. A bank-appointed receiver would work with PPB to ensure the church stayed open during the administration process.

Source: http://www.smh.com.au/national/tongas-ch...z1kgSRBLJN
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01-27-2012, 10:59 AM
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TE TAU A'U PE KI AI ... Ko e 'a'alonga pe, ka 'e ha kotoa 'amui ... Malo 'aupito 'a e ma'u ongoongo ...

Ko e ha leva 'a e me'a 'oku hoko ???? SI'I FAKA'OFA ....

Fakatau kotoa aa 'a e 'u koloa 'a e SUTT Aust ke totongi 'aki 'a e mo'ua ... kae toe kamata fo'ou ...

Kaekehe, ko e vilivili pe ...
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01-27-2012, 02:13 PM
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MASI'I 'OKU FK'OHOVALE 'AE FO'I ME'A NI HE KOE FIHA 'ENI HONO TALA MAI 'EHE HAU SUTT HENI KUO 'OSI 'AUPITO 'AE MO'UA. NA'E TALAKI MAI HE HUUFI FALE, KUO 'OSI 'AE MO'UA, NA'E LI KOAA 'E T5 'AE 1 MILIONA. HILI HA NG LAU MAHINA MOE HOKOHOKO 'AE TULUTA KOULA PEA TALAKI KUO 'OSI 'AE MO'UA. 'IKAI FUOLOA MOE TOE HOKOHOKO 'AE FEINGA PA'ANGA KUO TALAKI 'AE 'ULUAKI DONATION 'AE 'INITIA 'O FK'OSI 'AKI 'AE MO'UA. NA'E KEI HOHOKO ATU PE 'AE FEINGA PA'ANGA PEA HOKO LEVA KI HONO FAKAMOMOFI 'AE MO'UA 'AIA KO'ENE 'OSI 'AUPITO IA.KAE FAKA'OHOVALE KIATE AU 'AE FO'I ME'A NI.KOE ME'A MAHINO KOE PA'ANGA PE MOE TU'UNGA/ MAFAI .FAI 'AE FAKAFUTOFUTA 'AE KAU TAKI KAE SI'I FAKA'OFA 'AE KAKAI EE.KOE ANGA IA HONO FAI 'AE LOTU LELEI 'AE 'OTUA. KAKAI TONGA MOU FAKAKAUKAU 'AKI HOMOU 'ULU. 'AI 'A 'API KE LAVA PEA TUKU MOHA TAUNGA KIHA 'ALO TAMAKI PEA KA TOE HA KI'I ME'A PEA LI MAI KIHE SIASI 'AKI HO LOTO KOTOA. 'OFA KOHA LESONI 'ENI KIHE TONGA NOFO MULI KOTOA
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01-27-2012, 03:22 PM (This post was last modified: 01-27-2012 06:18 PM by Fale.)
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HuhHuhHuhHuh FAKA'OFA LAHI MO'ONI !!! SadSadSadSadSad

Masi'i kautama, talu e fai 'etau tautolo he me'a ni mo 'eku faka'amu pe 'e mo'oni e taukave 'oe fakamomofi mo'ua pea ko 'etau taukave pe 'etau takitaha fa'ahi koe'uhi koe kaveinga 'oku omai. Kau eni ia he faka'ofa lahi 'aupito 'aupito 'aupito ta'ehanotatau.!!!

1. 'Oku tu'u leva 'i fee e 'Initia moe fakamo'oni totongi mo'ua na'e toki 'osi .. wheeeww !!! fakalilifu mo'oni.

2. Koe mo'oni nai eni 'oku fakamatala 'e Pinomi pe 'oku kei toe pe ha me'a 'oku kei fufuu?

3. Kapau te nau feinga ke fakatau 'a Pulela'a, 'e 'alu ki fe e pa'anga moe proceed koia? Pangikee moe kautaha vali pe koe 'Initia? fakailifia atu pe koe kau lotu ia.

4. Koeha kuo fu'u loi pehee faufaua ai e kau pili-katia taki ki he kaingalotu moe SUTT Pulela'a? Matafefeka, koe fiha hake ee tala katoanga moe fakamomofimo'ua pea toe pe ke tutuki tamate'i kitautolu ne taukave 'oku ta'emahino a Pulela'a 'e he kau Pro-Pulela'a .. 'oiaueee .. ko fee e lotu lelei 'a Sisu Kalaisi? Tau tui mahalo ne mei hoani 'e Pulela'a 'ae Temipale na'e tulaki ai e Sisu e ngaahi tepile 'ae kau fefakatau'aki. Ha'ele atu 'a Sisu ki he falelotu Pulela'a te ne tulaki e ngaahi sea mo haha e tepile ngingila sea tapatapakoula 'oe kau taula ai mo kaila .. kuo mou ngaohi hoku fale ke hoko koe fale e kau kaakaa moe loi tautoitoi !!!

5. Koe fu'u lesoni ma'ongo'onga fau 'oku ako hotau kakai mei heni pea 'oku mou 'osi 'ilo pe ngaahi lesoni koia. 'Ofa pe 'e 'i ai ha toe matapa faingamalie 'i he lilo 'e ava mai ke kaufaki'i e vaka 'o Pulela'a.
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01-27-2012, 03:48 PM
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'Oku ou kole atu au kihe kau taki 'oe siasi Pulela'aa ke fai aa mo mou lea mai 'aki 'ae mo'oni ka tau nounou. Tuku aa e loi, he 'ikai ke mou kei tanaki ho'omou talanoa. Teu kumi ha fo'i loi ke 'ufi'ufi'aki ho'omou 'uluaki loii pea ka 'ilo e fo'i loi koiaa te mou toe kumi moha fu'u fo'i loi 'e taha ke 'ufi'ufi 'aki 'ae fuhinga loi na'e toki fai. Kapau aa 'oku ikai keu mou mamae kimoutolu kia Sisu Kalaisi ko hotau 'eiki fakamo'ui, pea mou 'ofa pe aa he mata 'oe kakai Tonga 'oku nau si'i kumi mo'ui atu kihomou siasi. Koe oo atu 'ae kakai koe kumi mo'ui ke mo'ui honau laumalie. Nofo mai moutolu moe ngaahi fu'u hele 'o helefiofio 'aki si'onau 'anga'angaa. Fakamo'oni kakato au kihe lau 'a Fale. 'Ofa mai aa kakai Tonga 'o ngaue'aki homou fo'i 'uto na'e 'oatu 'e Sihova ke mou ngaue'aki kae tuku e valekaida'e moe fakangangau 'ulu.
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01-27-2012, 06:45 PM
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Taaa mu'a e Fafangu pea tanaki mai e Ka'inga Lotu ke fkhaaa'i atu aa e mo'oni ? Aho ni koe me'a na'e fufuu'i kuo 'iloa ia pea ongona he ngaluea moe vahaope, pea 'oku 'iai e 'ita moe fkofaia he koe lukuluku he palepale ni mei he kuohili koe fo'ikalofiama............ na'e tuku atu kae pango na'e fai hono 'ohofi mo hono taukaea'i 'ae mo'oni, na'e lea atu 'aki 'ehe kau faikava he palepale ni.Mou vakai kihe ng alea na'e fkhoko..... ke lava pe ho'ona loto kae fkofa ia 'ae kau muimui hono ta palasia pehe'i?Mou teuteu kihe mole kotoa pea pehe kihe ng koloa na'e fkhoko'aki hono malu'i 'ae fu'u NO FKVALEVALE peheni fau ?....................................palu mai Fale pea tau inu ai he na'e lava pe Fatongia moe Fkkohukohu he ko nau tolu pe foui moe taefie fanongo mai,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
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01-28-2012, 02:56 AM
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Malo mu'a kau tangata e kei tu'u ke tu'uaki e me'a koe feinga kihe lea totonu, moe feinga ke ta'ofi e me'a koia koe ngaue 'aki 'ehe kakai 'oku nau pehe tokua koe kakai kuo osi pani 'ehe 'eiki 'ae me'a koe loi 'ero, Ne ki'i fuoloa pe puli o fai e kii ngaue pea koe toki ki'i faingamalie eni ke fai mai ai ha 'a'ahi kiho tau palepaleni, Kou manatu pe foki kihe kamata'anga mai 'oe topikini 'ihe 'osi pe koia e fepotalanoa'aki 'a Setita pea moe faifekau Tu'akoi, Pea kamata aipe moe felauaki 'ae palepaleni 'oho mai e kautangata ia mei pulela'a moe ngaahi 'uhinga pea hoko ai moe tau kape2, Lau mai moe ngaahi himi o pehe tokua ko hono 'a'alonga pe ka 'e toki ha kotoa pe 'amui, Ka 'oku ou fkmalo lahi atu kia Vilivili kae pehe kihe tokolahi 'ihe palepaleni malo mu'a ho'o mou kei tu'u ke taui'i e me'a koe lea moe fai totonu kae tautefito kihe kau faifekau, Pea mo'oni kotoa pe lau ae himi koena i olunga, ( 'e toki ha kotoa pe 'amui) pea koeha leva e me'a oku hoko? ko'eni kuo ha pea 'oku 'ikai ha lelei ka oku ha kovi, Koe me'a ia kou tokanga au kiai ko hono fai 'ehe kau faifekau 'ae me'a koe loi 'ero 'ene taufua pehe fau, Koe fiha nai eni 'etau fanongo kuo 'osi e mo'ua 'o Pulela'a pea a'u 'o talaki moe fu'u katoanga tutu mo'ua pea tau fanongo he letio hono tala e fu'u foaki laumiliona 'ae Samaletani 'Initia, Koe naahi loi kotoa koena koe ha'u kotoa ia meihe ngutu 'oe kau faufekau 'aia oku pehe tokua koe kakai kuo 'osi pani 'ehe 'otua, Koe me'a 'oku fktupu fifili pe koe 'Otua fe ia 'okune pani ha fa'ahinga kakai ke ha'u 'o lohiaki'i si'i kakai masiva, Pea nau toki nofo ta'x totongi nautolu he ngaahi 'api 'oe siasi 'o toki mate lohiaki'i mai mei ai si'i kakai totongi rent, Ka 'oku mo'oni e lau 'a Kehekehe mahalo kuo nau mei 'asi mai 'o toe fai mai ha fu'u fo'i,loi 'ero e taha ke 'ufi'ufi 'aki e fu'u fo'i loi 'ero koeni kuo 'ilo, Koe 'uhi pe na'a si'i 'ilo 'ehe kakai masiva ha me'a pea ta'ofi ai 'enau foaki mai 'enau benefit kihe siasi, Kaikehe neongo kotoa foki 'ae ngaahi me'ani 'oku tau fktauange pe mu'a kihe 'eiki, Kene tofa hala mai kihe kaingani 'o foaki mai ha toe founga faingofua koe'uhi koe si'i kakava 'oe kakai masiva kuo mole 'ihe fu'u 'apini.........
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01-29-2012, 02:08 AM
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Malie lahi 'a e ngaahi felafoaki ni ... Pea 'oku mo'oni, kuo si'i toitoi 'a e kakai na'a nau si'i taukave'i 'a e SUTT Aust ... Ka ko e toe 'ai ke fefe'i ...

Ko 'eku ki'i vilivili ...

1. Why now, that Rev. Pinomi is coming out publicly about everything? He would never come publicly until he knows a back door. So, is there a "back door or window" somewhere that he knows? Ke totongi'aki 'a e fu'u mo'ua ni? .... makes me wonder ????

2. Kuo 'osi tu'utu'uni foki 'e he Fakamaau ke fakahoko 'a e hopo 'i he 'aho 31 'o e mahina ni. So, a decision has do be done on that date. So, there is no where to go, but to admit defeat.

3. I am surprise with this "trust funds from the Cayman Island". That is a new development. Fakaoli, for the Cayman Island Trust Funds have never been mentioned before ... mmmmmmm ... why then is it mentioned now? .... mmmmmmm ... something is fishy here ...

4. I think ... that Rev. Pinomi is coming publicly with this, to get that 10 milion from the Cayman Island Funds. For that fund cannot be given, until there is a proof of struggle and desperate. And this article is the proof that Rev. Pinomi will submit to those funds ...

5. Also, Rev. Pinomi is hoping that some rich millionaire somewhere will assist them. 'E si'i too ki fe'ia 'a e lotu 'a e kainga SUTT Aust. Pau pe ke si'i fakaava matapa 'a langi 'o tokonia 'enau tangi.

Kaekehe, ko e vilivili pe ...
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01-29-2012, 07:46 AM (This post was last modified: 01-29-2012 06:21 PM by Fale.)
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Tau a'u mai eni ki he uike fo'ou pea 'oku tau kei tu'utu'ukina pe he fufuu me'a 'a Pulela'a . A little shy of a year ago this issue was first raised here in TNEWS fekau'aki mo e fufuu me'a moe loi 'ae kau faifekau Pulela'a moe matu'aki anga fakakaivao 'ae faifekau pule he'ene hangup mai e telefoni .. ta'efe'unga mo hono lakanga koe "pani 'ae 'Otua" as they claim, mu'a hake e tautapa fifili 'ae kainga lotu ki he mo'oni 'o e tu'unga 'oku 'i ai e fakamatala pa'anga a Pulela'a.

Ko eni kuo toki 'asi a Pinomi 'o fai 'e ne fakamatala. Ko 'eku fifili pe 'a'aku kautama 'oku taha pe.

Te tau tui nai mo tali ha toe fakamatala mai 'a Sione Pinomi?

Talu pe mei he kamata'anga, fakamatala pa'anga he huufifalelotu 'o a'u mai eni ki he tatanu e falelotu he mo'ua 'oku kei loi pe 'a Pinomi. Kuo fu'u lahi totu'a 'ene loi 'aana mo 'ene toutou ha mai he media 'o fakamatala e lau miliona. 'Oku 'ikai ha toe amount ia te ne 'ilo 'e ia koe lau miliona pe,( 7.5 miliona 'a e 'Initia, lau miliona mei he fakatau kava ki he kau 'Apo pea 10 miliona eni mei Cayman Island). Kapau na'a nau tu'umalie milionea pehee, koeha ne fu'u totu'a pehee e noo moe ta'etotongi e noo ke compound pehee fau?

Ko eha 'ene toe hu fo'ou mai 'aana 'o kalanga koeni? Tuli tonuhia? Koe 10 miliona 'oku 'ikai ke lava ia 'o cover ha vaeua 'oe fu'u mo'ua koena 'oku talamai ('o kapau 'oku 'i ai ha seniti ai).

Hei'ilo kia kimoutolu, ka koe me'a ia kia Fale, 'oku 'ikai ke toe tui a ki he fo'i ongoongo 'e taha 'a Pinomi Ponono Pinumi Pimumu P P Pilahi .

Hangee 'oku faka'enekete e hoka'i tonu 'e he article tama'uli 'oe ngaahi me'a oku 'ikai ai keu tui kia Sione PINUMI PINOMI:

1. Tag hono taa koena he article " Sione Pinomi ... fears for his ''poor church''".

Koe 'uhinga nai ena 'oku fa'ifa'iteliha ai pe ia he fakapa'anga - koe'uhi nai ko hono siasi? Is that his mentality about working for church? Kuo ha e siasi sino ha mai 'o e 'Otua 'oku tauhi 'e he kaingalotu Pulela'a ia? Kuo ha e SUTT ia moe fakaha mei he faifekau pule Pulela'a 'oku 'ave pe 'enau me'a kotoa ki Tonga? Ta 'oku mo'oni ta'eveiveiua pe (like we claimed before) 'a e sekelitali lahi ia 'ae SUTT mei Tonga he'ene pehee, koe kainga fakatauhisipi pe 'oku nau fai mo Pulela'a ka 'oku manage pe 'e Pulela'a 'enau me'a kotoa even finance.

2. ''The poor church … is the one that's going to be really, really crucified,'' said its spokesman, the Reverend Sione Pinomi. 'Oku toe ta'ota'o atu pe eni ia ki he mentality ownership 'a Pinomi ki Pulela'a.

In reality, is it his sole responsibility to determine the fate of the church? Kei tuhu ai pe ki he lau koia kimu'a atu .. koe siasi o Pinomi.

3. "He hoped a trust fund registered in the Cayman Islands would donate $10 million to help the church stay afloat."

This is a brand new information from Sione Pinomi. Ko hai na'a ne set up e trust ko eni and for who? Pinomi? Pulela'a? SUTT? Cultural Center? Indian? con artist? drug dealers? kava dealers? When was it set up? Who are the executors of this Trust?

'Oku kei fakalilifu ai pe e fakafufuu me'a moe huuhuu holo 'a Pinono Pinomi?

a). Hangee 'oku toe ma'ehu mai heni e fo'i talanoa na'e sasala 'i mu'a 'o pehee ko Pulela'a SUTT 'oku lesisita pisinisi koe Kautaha Cultural Center -a for profit organization vs SUTT Pulela'a - a non-profit organization.

Tonu ke mahino foki koe fokotu'u Trust he Cayman Island kuo pau ke a'u e NET WORTH oe kautaha oku invest kihe US$400,000. Tau pehee kapau ne fokotu'u e fund koeni before Pulela'a SUTT church construction, mahalo koe pa'anga ia e miliona Australia fakatatau ki he tu'unga liliu pa'anga 'o e 'aho koia. Koe taimi ni 'oku meimei tatau pe anga e tu'unga pa'anga US moe USD. Pea kapau leva na'e net worth lau miliona 'a Pulela'a he taimi koia, koe ha ne nau toe loan ai ke langa e falelotu?

Kapau leva na'e toki fokotu'u atu e Trust koeni lolotonga e langa e falelotu mei he ngaahi kumi pa'anga na'e fai, ta he'ikai lava ia 'o fokotu'u ha Trust he 'oku tuva e mo'ua 'o hangee pe koe 'ikai ke lava 'o tali 'e he pangike 'ae kole loan kae hoko atu nautolu ki he kautaha vali.

b) 'Oku loi nai e Trust Fund i Cayman Island 'oku lau ki ai a Pinomi?

4. Pinomi , even at his stage, never admits to any wrong management in his part. Koe tangata matafefeka fiepoto moe fiematai !!!

"Mr Pinomi said the 2000 Tongan-Australians who greeted the monarch in their traditional dress that October day knew about the loan from Phoenix.
But he said the members of the church's executive committee - who were signed on as personal guarantors - had not really considered the ramifications of the high monthly interest rate, or their inability to raise donations to pay it back quickly."


Koe ha 'oku ikai ke pehee mai ai, na'e kau moia he sign he koe kau executive 'oku toko 3 pe .. koe kau tolu'i taula pe 'o Pulela'a. Instead he made it sound like, someone else made the decision pea toki kau ia hono toki vakai'i after the fact 'o 'ilo kuo fu'u tomui ke reverse. ''We thought about it when we looked at it after but it was too late,'' he said. ''The loan has already been done.'' Koe tangata fiepoto tulitonuhia lahi a PiNUMI PINOMI.

PINOMI .... ko ho poto ena kuo fulutamakia ai a Pulela'a he mo'ua !!!!! Pea koe me'a ia 'oku ui koe VALENGANGAU !!! pea koe tuha e vale koe hilifaki e uipi ki he tu'a 'o taa'i ke maakaua.

Kuo taimi ke overhaul a Pulela'a , tataki atu e kau taula ki tu'a pea fai ha ngaue he kuo ngavaivavia e kaingalotu moe fangasipi hono lafo mo ha'o 'e he kau tauhi.

Pea mou 'ofa mai aa kakai 'o ngaue'aki homou 'atamai lelei ne foaki atu 'e he 'Otua. 'Oua 'e tui noa'ia mo 'alu noa'ia. Manatu'i ma'u pe e lau 'ae poto "follow your heart and take your brain with you". 'Oua 'e tuku e 'atamai a ke kailesi 'i 'api 'ae lele noa'ia pe fu'u fo'i 'ofa lotu ia he na'e 'i ai e 'uhinga na'e fa'u ai 'e he 'Otua e tangata 'o 'ai hono 'atamai pea fokotu'u e 'atamai hono tumu'aki.

Pea koe 'ai 'e taha . 'oua 'e fa'a tuku e 'atamai he taumuli he 'e namu pilomu2 ia ai o ta'x'aonga o fakamaa TongueTongueTongue

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01-29-2012, 12:34 PM
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Malo Fale 'ae talifehu'i pea ta na'e mo'oni pe ae tnews ia he 'enau 'uluaki ongoongo. 'oku 'iai 'eku tui 'oku 'iai 'ae me'a lahi 'oku 'ilo'i 'ehe tnews ka 'oku 'ikai ke nau lea mai he konautolu na'a nau 'uluaki 'omai 'ae ongoongo ko'eni pea 'oku ou 'e 'ikai te nau 'omai noa'ia ka 'e makatu'unga mei ha fa'ahinga me'a 'oku n au 'ilo. Kole atu Setita kapau 'oku 'iai ha me'a 'oku ke 'ilo fekau'aki mo Pulela'a pea ke kataki mu'a 'o 'omai ke tau laulea kiai.
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01-30-2012, 01:02 PM
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SI'I FAKA'OFA 'IA AI PE ....

Ko 'eku ki'i vilivili ...

1. KO FE'IA 'A E TOKONI IA 'A E 'INITIA? Ko fe'ia 'a e 7.5 miliona, pea mo e 1 miliona atu ki mu'a, pea mo e 1 kilu na'e 'uluaki foaki? 'Oku hala'ataa ha mention 'a e 'Initia he article ...

2. Ko e title .. Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapse in debt ... interesting title ...

2a. I wonder, pe ko fe'ia he tolu (hope, faith and pride) na'e langa 'aki 'a e falelotu. Na'e lahilahi "hope"? .. pe lahilahi "faith"? ... pe lahilahi "pride"? ... me'a ni, na'e 'iai ha toe me'a 'e taha ke fa 'aki? .. 'o hange ko e "stupidity", pe ha toe me'a kehe ... Pea pehe leva 'e he title .. Tonga's church, built in hope, faith, pride, and stupidity ... right?

2b. I also wonder, pea ko e collapse, na'e tupunga 'i he "debt" pe. Pe na'e collapse 'i ha ngaahi 'uhinga kehekehe pe ... 'o hange ko e "stupidity" mo e ha fua. Pea pehe leva 'e he titile ... Tonga church, built in hope, faith, pride, and stupidity, collapse in debt and stupidity ... right?

3. Ko e "stupidity" 'oku ne fakamatala'i 'a e loi lahi, kakaa, fuufuu me'a, fakatau ta'efakalao 'a e kava, ta'efieauna, taki hee'i 'a e kakai ... mo e ha fua 'a e ngaahi kovi kehekehe na'a nau fai ... 'o nau langa 'aki 'a e Falelotu, pea toe collapse 'aki 'a e Falelotu.

Kaekehe, ko e vilivili pe ...
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01-30-2012, 04:07 PM
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Me'a fktupu fklelee mo'oni koe Sio atu kihe la'elahi oe tauladevolo ko eni ko nonePinomi........koefee kau tauladevolo oe siasi ni???.....kofee ki'i kau muimui de'epato o Pulela'a???..Mou 'asi mai kimu'a ae kau DULUDAA KOULA o fai ha fkmatala kihe matanga pe koe toe Ono kimui o toi nae osi kalanga atu ke tuku homou alu kuikui.....fai mo Mou veka mai kimu'a na'a teu manga atu paa'i homou lingalala hihihihihi
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01-30-2012, 10:04 PM (This post was last modified: 01-30-2012 10:06 PM by Tama4kakai.)
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
tukuaa e lotuu moe 'ikai ke fai ke sai kae me'a atu mu'a e tangata'eiki faifekauu ia ki 'uta 'o too ha'atau fu'u maaanioke ke tau kai 'oku 'aongaa.
'oku hange kiate au 'oku ngali ange ia moe tauhi ngouee 'ihe tauhi sipii ???.
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02-01-2012, 06:33 PM (This post was last modified: 02-01-2012 06:38 PM by Fale.)
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Tau toe siosio pe ki he ngaahi miomio 'a Punono Pinomi mo e kau taula 'ae cult Pulela'a mei he polokalama 'a Setita he Feb. 2011 ke toe refresh e manatu 'ae kau tama koeni 'oku tomui mai ki he forum koeni. Tau sio ai pe ki he anga e mafulifuli a Pinomi moe ngaahi miliona moe hangup mai a Tu'akoi e telefoni 'i hono fehu'ia e pa'anga 'ae Initia. Moe fakalilifu e loi 'ae kau taula hono fakamo'oni mei Tonga mei he Sekelitali lahi ae SUTT. Koe meimei ta'u pe eni 'e taha mei ai kuo e'a mai e ngaahi ongoongo koena 'i 'olunga 'ae SMH.

Koeha nai e me'a ne hoko ki he hopo koia 'a Pulela'a mo e kautaha vali ?

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02-02-2012, 02:22 PM (This post was last modified: 02-02-2012 02:27 PM by Fale.)
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Koe 'aho 17 Jan, 2012.

Australia's #1 Insolvency Appointments

Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga in Australia Inc. Appointment Date : 12.01.12

The Association of Tongan Arts and Culture Inc. Appointment Date : 12.01.12"


http://www.insolvencyappointments.com.au...inc-2.html
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02-03-2012, 11:20 AM (This post was last modified: 02-03-2012 11:36 AM by chile.)
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
(02-02-2012 02:22 PM)Fale Wrote:   Koe 'aho 17 Jan, 2012.

Australia's #1 Insolvency Appointments

Free Wesleyan Church of Tonga in Australia Inc. Appointment Date : 12.01.12

The Association of Tongan Arts and Culture Inc. Appointment Date : 12.01.12"


http://www.insolvencyappointments.com.au...inc-2.html

Hoooooooooi he toki kaingalotu ngangau kuo lahi. Vakai atu a Pinomi mo Tuakoi kuo taimi kena ngaue popula. Puke atu moe Palesiteni maloloo ko Feleti Mone he koia 'ae fale'i 'a Pinomi mo Tuakoi koe me'a ia na'e fai ai e tour ki Isileli mo Pinomi koe lava lelei koaa e ngauee! Koe fale'i tatau pe ena a Feleti Mone kia Rev Taniela Haunga i he siasi SUTT San Francisco ke fakatau e kongaapi moe falelotu oe kau Jew feunga moe 6 miliona pea kole kihe Conference Tonga kenau totongi mai kae toki totongi ki Tonga. Me'a malie pe koe ikai tali ehe konifelenisi e kole pea toe ikai tali e Tapanekale e fakakaukau. Koefee 'a Rev Taniela Ha'unga he 'aho ni. 'Oku 'ikai ko Pulela'aa pe 'oku kovi me'apango 'oku toe kau pe ai moe Konifelenisi 'a Tonga.
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02-03-2012, 01:21 PM
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Koe kole eni moe fokotu'u atu kihe kau poupou o Pulela'a ae Siosiomai ko vakavakai kae pehee kia Kaunoa mou kataki o feinga atu o kole ki homou kaingalotu(Pulela'a)kenau Fili ha kau setuata fktotolo e toko 20 pe lahi hake ai kenau me'a ngaue'aki hono fksiosio mo lama ae ongo Daulatevolo ma'olunga(Tu'akoi & Pinone) na'a mou fu'u tokanga mo mou'a honau loto kihe loan mou'a fkvalevale oe siasi $21m kae NO'O2 ehe ongo Daulatevolo ia ho'ona2 monga hihihihi koe me'a ia tetau a'u kiai koe pa lohiaki'i pe fangasipi kihe suasaiti
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02-04-2012, 04:35 AM
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Koe 'ulungaanga 'oe kau kaupoe koe lii honau teunga kaupoe pea 'ai kia moe pekenene 'e taha pea nau toki heka aipe 'o fkmanimani he'enau hoosi.
Ka koe ongo faifekau ia ko'eni 'oku kehe ange & fkpoto 'a 'ena 'ai 'a kinaua he 'oku tui hona teunga malanga peana toe taki 2 kinau ia e kaulei pea 'ikai kena heka ha hoosi kana toe heka naua ia he tu'a e ki'i kaingalotu 'o toki fai ai 'ena ki'i fkmanimani.
Koia kou tokanga atu kihe ki'i kaingalotu ,kou tui 'oku tokolahi pe 'ae kau tauhisipi lelei he fetu'u 'oku mou 'iai,he koe tauhi sipi lelei 'oku ne fafanga 'ene fangasipi 'aki 'ae mohuku 'oku lau ma'ui'ui ka nau ka toki nge'enge'e.
Ka koe koe ongo 2 ia ko'eni 'oku na fafanga 'aki kimoutolu e mateloi & fkmalu tevolo pea hange aipe ia kuo mou high koe'uhi ke 'oua temou ongosia hono fafa holo kinaua pea kuo na nge'enge'e kinaua ia kamou tutue kimoutolu ia mo si'i pakau.
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02-15-2012, 01:49 AM (This post was last modified: 02-15-2012 01:52 AM by Moatunu.)
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
(02-04-2012 04:35 AM)Hot dog Wrote:  Koe 'ulungaanga 'oe kau kaupoe koe lii honau teunga kaupoe pea 'ai kia moe pekenene 'e taha pea nau toki heka aipe 'o fkmanimani he'enau hoosi.
Ka koe ongo faifekau ia ko'eni 'oku kehe ange & fkpoto 'a 'ena 'ai 'a kinaua he 'oku tui hona teunga malanga peana toe taki 2 kinau ia e kaulei pea 'ikai kena heka ha hoosi kana toe heka naua ia he tu'a e ki'i kaingalotu 'o toki fai ai 'ena ki'i fkmanimani.
Koia kou tokanga atu kihe ki'i kaingalotu ,kou tui 'oku tokolahi pe 'ae kau tauhisipi lelei he fetu'u 'oku mou 'iai,he koe tauhi sipi lelei 'oku ne fafanga 'ene fangasipi 'aki 'ae mohuku 'oku lau ma'ui'ui ka nau ka toki nge'enge'e.
Ka koe koe ongo 2 ia ko'eni 'oku na fafanga 'aki kimoutolu e mateloi & fkmalu tevolo pea hange aipe ia kuo mou high koe'uhi ke 'oua temou ongosia hono fafa holo kinaua pea kuo na nge'enge'e kinaua ia kamou tutue kimoutolu ia mo si'i pakau.


(02-04-2012 04:35 AM)Hot dog Wrote:  Koe 'ulungaanga 'oe kau kaupoe koe lii honau teunga kaupoe pea 'ai kia moe pekenene 'e taha pea nau toki heka aipe 'o fkmanimani he'enau hoosi.
Ka koe ongo faifekau ia ko'eni 'oku kehe ange & fkpoto 'a 'ena 'ai 'a kinaua he 'oku tui hona teunga malanga peana toe taki 2 kinau ia e kaulei pea 'ikai kena heka ha hoosi kana toe heka naua ia he tu'a e ki'i kaingalotu 'o toki fai ai 'ena ki'i fkmanimani.
Koia kou tokanga atu kihe ki'i kaingalotu ,kou tui 'oku tokolahi pe 'ae kau tauhisipi lelei he fetu'u 'oku mou 'iai,he koe tauhi sipi lelei 'oku ne fafanga 'ene fangasipi 'aki 'ae mohuku 'oku lau ma'ui'ui ka nau ka toki nge'enge'e.
Ka koe koe ongo 2 ia ko'eni 'oku na fafanga 'aki kimoutolu e mateloi & fkmalu tevolo pea hange aipe ia kuo mou high koe'uhi ke 'oua temou ongosia hono fafa holo kinaua pea kuo na nge'enge'e kinaua ia kamou tutue kimoutolu ia mo si'i pakau.

Malo mu'a e talanga.... Koe me'a 'oku mahino mai mei kainga ni ne te'eki pe ke nau ma'u 'enautolu ha mo'oni 'e taha.. Ko e koto loi pe mei mu'a ki mui.. I he kamata'anga hono fokotu'u 'o e Sutt Aussie koe me'a ia ne fai hono teke malohi ko e Uesiliana 'eni 'i Tonga , Ko hotau siasi eni ne tau tupu hake ai, ko e Uniting koe siasi ia 'i Aositelelia pea 'oku hu'u 'etau me'a kotoa pe ki Tonga... Sai toki mahino he 'aho ta ko e siasi pe 'eni ia e kau tangata ni ne nau fokotu'u 'o fakahingoa koe Uesiliana ka 'oku hala ha fekau'aki ia pea mo Tonga , ngata 'i hono 'omai ha faifekau mei ai ke fai e ngaue.. Koia pe...

Sai koe kamata loi 'e faka'osi loi pe... Malie e ...
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03-11-2012, 06:56 AM
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
(02-03-2012 01:21 PM)feke Wrote:  Koe kole eni moe fokotu'u atu kihe kau poupou o Pulela'a ae Siosiomai ko vakavakai kae pehee kia Kaunoa mou kataki o feinga atu o kole ki homou kaingalotu(Pulela'a)kenau Fili ha kau setuata fktotolo e toko 20 pe lahi hake ai kenau me'a ngaue'aki hono fksiosio mo lama ae ongo Daulatevolo ma'olunga(Tu'akoi & Pinone) na'a mou fu'u tokanga mo mou'a honau loto kihe loan mou'a fkvalevale oe siasi $21m kae NO'O2 ehe ongo Daulatevolo ia ho'ona2 monga hihihihi koe me'a ia tetau a'u kiai koe pa lohiaki'i pe fangasipi kihe suasaiti

Malie faufaua atu !! Malo Chile e lafo mai e fu'u me'a fakalilolilo koena ke tau 'ilo kotoa ki ai. He taa koe ngaahi bureaucracy moe fakapulipuli 'ae kau taki 'oku kaimongea ai e kaingalotu 'oe siasi.
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03-13-2012, 07:05 PM
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Political Party is vital for the smooth run of any democratically elected govt. Without the party system....Tonga will go back to cave man's days....I propose that Tonga govt should work tirelessly on how to effectively implement party system in the fabrics of our election's law...asap...before June 2012.
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03-14-2012, 11:31 AM
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RE: Tonga's church, built in hope, faith and pride, collapses in debt
Religious party anybody??.Kava Party or Farmers Party pea moe paati 'ae kau kaihaha'aa 'o ui koe Sevele's Corruption Party.
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